A child abducted yet nobody thought to phone the police immediately?

[Miss Taken Identity]

It certainly is evidence that the parents are guilty of facilitating the events which led to the disappearance of their daughter! I am glad we agree on that!
Whether or not they go to court we ALL KNOW that happened- they are guilty of bringing about this situation!
 
One of the many reasons for people disliking them is they are free to enjoy life-well except when they go to court to get everyone else into trouble for their mistakes!- the get all upset and everything! in fact they get more upset than having their daughter 'abducted'.

[Benice]

Ok  this is where the Team Mcs get into Murky waters.  Kate said she knew immediately that Maddie was taken!  now she has repeated that several times over in interviews on TV.

 She also left the two children alone while she RAN to tell the others Maddie was taken

They knew therefore, they knew it was a crime scene!! They are doctors who work with forensic material/patients in contaminated areas in hospitals for a living, what do you think they forgot in their training? about contamination? and what about a conversation like "  we will go get the twins you go to reception and get police"- was there no waiters or multilingual staff in that Restaurant?  What is it about this scenario that you think is not the responsibility of Middle class Educated Doctors!
 
People talk about war memories of friends and comrades who dies over 50 years ago- they give clear details of what happened...these articulate doctors can barely remember anything or much about anything the day Maddie disappeared on the day (grabbing Maddies colouring book to collaborate stories) Or  what happened a few months after she disappeared!

Ppft!

Kate knew deep down in her heart that Madeleine had been taken.  But that would not stop her hoping and praying that she was wrong.    We all hope for miracles at certain times in our lives.   I certainly have.

The idea that doctors should  not have the same feelings or reactions as other parents is ludicrous IMO.  Do you apply the same principle to firefighters?  Do you think a fireman arriving at his own house to find it ablaze with his own children inside should be expected to behave differently to any other father - just because he was a fireman and used to it.    Nonsense.

If you really think anyone can answer questions for several hours at a time without hesitation, or repetition, or any of the ums and ahhs that we all use when talking to another person - then IMO you should try it yourself and see how long you get before you do exactly the same.

[Mr Gray]

It certainly is evidence that the parents are guilty of facilitating the events which led to the disappearance of their daughter! I am glad we agree on that!
Whether or not they go to court we ALL KNOW that happened- they are guilty of bringing about this situation!
 
One of the many reasons for people disliking them is they are free to enjoy life-well except when they go to court to get everyone else into trouble for their mistakes!- the get all upset and everything! in fact they get more upset than having their daughter 'abducted'.

but many people like them

[Miss Taken Identity]

Kate knew deep down in her heart that Madeleine had been taken.  But that would not stop her hoping and praying that she was wrong.    We all hope for miracles at certain times in our lives.   I certainly have.

The idea that doctors should  not have the same feelings or reactions as other parents is ludicrous IMO.  Do you apply the same principle to firefighters?  Do you think a fireman arriving at his own house to find it ablaze with his own children inside should be expected to behave differently to any other father - just because he was a fireman and used to it.    Nonsense.

If you really think anyone can answer questions for several hours at a time without hesitation, or repetition, or any of the ums and ahhs that we all use when talking to another person - then IMO you should try it yourself and see how long you get before you do exactly the same.

Firefighters? I am sure they would know exactly what to do to save their children. Are you implying firefighters would leave their children alone in a locked apartment?

I have been in a situation myself where quick thinking was needed to save someones life, twice. I have also been a witness in a very long,harrowing, distressing trial. I recalled over and over  to many lawyers and prosecutors and  senior police what I saw and what I did. I never flinched once! NOT ONCE and I did not know the criminals or was familiar with the area, as I was on holiday.  So If I could do it for strangers, then surely a family member/friend can recall the last few hours of a child?

[Jean-Pierre]

Firefighters? I am sure they would know exactly what to do to save their children. Are you implying firefighters would leave their children alone in a locked apartment?

I have been in a situation myself where quick thinking was needed to save someones life, twice. I have also been a witness in a very long,harrowing, distressing trial. I recalled over and over  to many lawyers and prosecutors and  senior police what I saw and what I did. I never flinched once! NOT ONCE and I did not know the criminals or was familiar with the area, as I was on holiday.  So If I could do it for strangers, then surely a family member/friend can recall the last few hours of a child?

In which case you are unique.  Well done. 

[Miss Taken Identity]

I am not unique, Many, many people in public service live with difficult and dangerous situations.
The police get a lot of phone calls from people in trouble  they dial 999 you would not believe how busy they are... And doctors are well aware of timescales for people having heart attacks, to phone 999 emergency..... oh were you being sarcastic aw  see  you bad!

But thank you for recognizing  just some my good qualities..if only I had thought of setting up a fund!

[Benice]

Firefighters? I am sure they would know exactly what to do to save their children. Are you implying firefighters would leave their children alone in a locked apartment?

I have been in a situation myself where quick thinking was needed to save someones life, twice. I have also been a witness in a very long,harrowing, distressing trial. I recalled over and over  to many lawyers and prosecutors and  senior police what I saw and what I did. I never flinched once! NOT ONCE and I did not know the criminals or was familiar with the area, as I was on holiday.  So If I could do it for strangers, then surely a family member/friend can recall the last few hours of a child?

You implied that Doctors should behave, feel and react differently to every other parent in the world -when faced with a tragedy involving one of their own children -  just because they are doctors.      I don't believe that a person's profession/trade should be expected to affect their level of  fear and anxiety when it comes to facing a catastrophe involving their own child.   They are still parents first and foremost.

IMO it would be a million times easier to cope with other people's tragedies than those affecting my own loved ones.   You appear to have the opposite view.     Well there you go - we are all different.   

[Brietta]

You implied that Doctors should behave, feel and react differently to every other parent in the world -when faced with a tragedy involving one of their own children -  just because they are doctors.      I don't believe that a person's profession/trade should be expected to affect their level of  fear and anxiety when it comes to facing a catastrophe involving their own child.   They are still parents first and foremost.

IMO it would be a million times easier to cope with other people's tragedies than those affecting my own loved ones.   You appear to have the opposite view.     Well there you go - we are all different.

Perhaps it was when their training did kick in and they tried to make sense of what had happened that difficulties were cemented with the PJ; there certainly was a culture clash and total misunderstanding of reactions; for example when the simple request for a priest was misinterpreted as acknowledgement that Madeleine was dead. 

[Benice]

Perhaps it was when their training did kick in and they tried to make sense of what had happened that difficulties were cemented with the PJ; there certainly was a culture clash and total misunderstanding of reactions; for example when the simple request for a priest was misinterpreted as acknowledgement that Madeleine was dead.

I agree.   The language barrier and the differences in culture  caused massive problems for the McCanns.  Problems which many sceptics completely disregard.   IMO things would have been completely different if those obstacles had not existed.

[Wonderfulspam]

I agree.   The language barrier and the differences in culture  caused massive problems for the McCanns.  Problems which many sceptics completely disregard.   IMO things would have been completely different if those obstacles had not existed.

B*llocks.

All they had to do was pick up the phone & call the police.

They didn't.

Mrs Fenn offered the use of her phone, they declined.

[sadie]

I agree.   The language barrier and the differences in culture  caused massive problems for the McCanns.  Problems which many sceptics completely disregard.   IMO things would have been completely different if those obstacles had not existed.

Ahhh

The language and culture barrier. 
How different things might have been without these 

Unable to phone the police themselves, but they had OC reception, who unfortunately let them down

They couldn't just pick up the phone and ring the police with anything that came to mind that might help ... as they would have been able to in the UK... or for reassuring updates as to progress.

Having to sign documents that were in a foreign language or had been double translated, with all the errors potentially incumbant in that process.

Not understanding the PT legal process

Initially, being unable to fully pick up the vibes that the PJ were no longer searching for a living Madeleine

Then all the translations that had a bias, even an agenda one wonders?  They couldn't translate, they didn't know what was genuine and what was false.  How appalling to have disinformation put out and not even know it.


This is just a rather weak assessment of all the extra problems they must have encountered though not speaking or understanding the language; not understanding the culture; not understanding the legal system etc.


Add to these the worry of problems back home like their garden, looking after pets, their jobs etc etc..


All this on top of their major worry of trying to get Madeleine back.




It is mind boggling. 

And there must have been difficulties galore that I cannot even begin to think of.

[Wonderfulspam]

Ahhh

The language and culture barrier. 
How different things might have been without these 

Unable to phone the police themselves, but they had OC reception, who unfortunately let them down

They couldn't just pick up the phone and ring the police with anything that came to mind that might help ... as they would have been able to in the UK... or for reassuring updates as to progress.

Having to sign documents that were in a foreign language or had been double translated, with all the errors potentially incumbant in that process.

Not understanding the PT legal process

Initially, being unable to fully pick up the vibes that the PJ were no longer searching for a living Madeleine

Then all the translations that had a bias, even an agenda one wonders?  They couldn't translate, they didn't know what was genuine and what was false.  How appalling to have disinformation put out and not even know it.


This is just a rather weak assessment of all the extra problems they must have encountered though not speaking or understanding the language; not understanding the culture; not understanding the legal system etc.


Add to these the worry of problems back home like their garden, looking after pets, their jobs etc etc..


All this on top of their major worry of trying to get Madeleine back.




It is mind boggling. 

And there must have been difficulties galore that I cannot even begin to think of.

Unable to phone the police themselves

Did they actually, physically try ringing the police, themselves?

No, they didn't.

[jassi]

Unable to phone the police themselves

Did they actually, physically try ringing the police, themselves?

No, they didn't.

Too busy contacting friends and family.

[Wonderfulspam]

Too busy contacting friends and family.

...to tell them that it was paedo gangs wot dunnit.

I'm still not sure how Mr McCann knew that & why he phoned a friend with that information, rather than telling someone in, lets say, the country he was in, for instance, maybe the police even.....

[sadie]

...to tell them that it was paedo gangs wot dunnit.

I'm still not sure how Mr McCann knew that & why he phoned a friend with that information, rather than telling someone in, lets say, the country he was in, for instance, maybe the police even.....

Of course after the initial shock and the search, they would unhappily suspect/ know stolen.  The window and shutters were open.  Someone had been there. 

The people who steal oretty little blond girls are either
Kidnappers for ramsome
or
Paedophiles {or sex traffickers, also for paedophiles]

As the Mccanns were not rich, they could rule the first out