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Offline pegasus

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #450 on: February 17, 2014, 04:22:36 AM »
Well I have come to the conclusion that even if Eddie was totally correct about the 2 adult clothing items, it absolutely is 100% unjust to assume that the person who owns them was wearing them at the time, and IMO the owner of those 2 items is completely innocent.
IMO the book is fair game for correction, in those parts where the logic is wrong like this.
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Offline Carew

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #451 on: February 17, 2014, 05:53:21 AM »
That is not what I said at all.   There is no way Grime could make Eddie only alert to blood and not  to cadaverscent once the dog had been trained to alert to both.      All Eddie had learned was that if he barked when he detected certain SMELLS he pleased his owner and got a reward.   And that would be the limit of his understanding IMO.


With regard to accuracy in results and gathering information, surely a positive alert is of equal value to a negative one in an investigation.

This "reward" system would seem to scupper that.





Offline Carew

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #452 on: February 17, 2014, 06:03:04 AM »
That is not what I said at all.   There is no way Grime could make Eddie only alert to blood and not  to cadaverscent once the dog had been trained to alert to both.      All Eddie had learned was that if he barked when he detected certain SMELLS he pleased his owner and got a reward.   And that would be the limit of his understanding IMO.


Isn`t this really all about trying to expunge the whole idea of "cadaver scent"  .........and replace it with nosebleed splatterings, toenail clippings and so forth by sheer persistence and wishful thinking?


Offline EnolaStraight

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #453 on: February 17, 2014, 07:46:22 AM »
Why do the two current investigations seem to place no weight on the dog evidence?

Offline Benice

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #454 on: February 17, 2014, 08:05:20 AM »

Isn`t this really all about trying to expunge the whole idea of "cadaver scent"  .........and replace it with nosebleed splatterings, toenail clippings and so forth by sheer persistence and wishful thinking?

Not at all.  It's dealing with the fabrication in Amaral's book that Eddie only alerted to cadaverscent.  He appears to be the one suffering from 'wishful thinking' in that respect.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #455 on: February 17, 2014, 12:46:46 PM »
But the point is, that even if the signals of the two adult clothing items by Eddie are 100% correct, those signals IN NO WAY incriminate the individual owner of those clothes.
If some other person (without your knowledge) temporarily hid some crystal meth under a pile of your clothes, and a dog just like Eddie but trained for drugs later correctly signalled crystal meth on those clothes of yours, would that incriminate you?  NO.

Have you watched the clothing video and what Eddie actually alerted to? I've posted my observations on here somewhere and it's not at all clear to me. His reactions don't seem to correspond to what was noted by the PJ, neither is it clear what the noted reaction actually was: tossing items in the air, nuzzling them, running and nuzzling... I don't see the logic.

For some reason, Grime stated that he didn't have the details... why not?

Offline Carana

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #456 on: February 17, 2014, 01:04:23 PM »
Why do the two current investigations seem to place no weight on the dog evidence?

In my view, Eddie was a generalist and Keela was the specialist. He was meant to locate the haystack and Keela the needle. The needles that Keela found, in this case, did not lead anywhere.

The duo was an interesting combination, but, for some reason, some people seem to have assumed that if Keela didn't react (but he had) that it necessarily indicated that a cadaver had been present. Was Eddie oversold?


Offline pegasus

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #457 on: February 17, 2014, 05:02:11 PM »
Have you watched the clothing video and what Eddie actually alerted to? I've posted my observations on here somewhere and it's not at all clear to me. His reactions don't seem to correspond to what was noted by the PJ, neither is it clear what the noted reaction actually was: tossing items in the air, nuzzling them, running and nuzzling... I don't see the logic.
For some reason, Grime stated that he didn't have the details... why not?
Good point Carana I will answer on a EVRD thread as requested by John

Offline Luz

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #458 on: February 18, 2014, 10:15:03 AM »
In my view, Eddie was a generalist and Keela was the specialist. He was meant to locate the haystack and Keela the needle. The needles that Keela found, in this case, did not lead anywhere.

The duo was an interesting combination, but, for some reason, some people seem to have assumed that if Keela didn't react (but he had) that it necessarily indicated that a cadaver had been present. Was Eddie oversold?

 
Yet you see the logic of pretendy burglars abducting a child!

Even if the dogs have signaled for non recuperable (bungled by FSS)  forensic material to be taken to trial, the simple fact that a possible death occurred there, or a dead body was there, should be addressed and not substituted by stupid, unfounded accusations to police or fictitious burglars.

In any case, after hundreds of police people involved in the investigation, portuguese and british, it's quite telling the fact that the persecution is upon the only person that had the guts to leave his job of 27 years in order to be able to speak up.

Why would a professional leave a career, where he was considered one of the top, to be able to speak?! Because he was wrong or because his sense of justice was more important than to contribute to a huge blackout over a crime committed against a young child?!

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #459 on: February 18, 2014, 10:52:35 AM »

Goncalo Amaral saw the means to make loads a money, which he wasn't allowed to do as a serving officer.
It's all perfectly simple.

Offline jassi

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #460 on: February 18, 2014, 11:03:00 AM »
Goncalo Amaral saw the means to make loads a money, which he wasn't allowed to do as a serving officer.
It's all perfectly simple.

Whereas Kate's book's profits were donated to charity, I suppose.  8(0(*
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Luz

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #461 on: February 18, 2014, 11:08:06 AM »
Whereas Kate's book's profits were donated to charity, I suppose.  8(0(*

Oh yes.

Poor Ms Healy that had to secure a part time job prior to Madeleine's disappearance, in order to meet expenses, now is a stay-at-home mum for 2 school kids, dresses as she never did before, can allow herself to stay in 5 star hotels...,while Amaral is residing in his late parents home and barely making money to survive.

I'm sure you've never heard that for the McCann "charity" starts at home, and especially if they can take money from everyone they dislike.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #462 on: February 18, 2014, 11:20:05 AM »
Whereas Kate's book's profits were donated to charity, I suppose.  8(0(*

The profits of Kate's book were donated to the search to find Madeleine.  Everybody knows that.

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #463 on: February 18, 2014, 11:38:10 AM »
Whereas Kate's book's profits were donated to charity, I suppose.  8(0(*

Well the next best thing;- a private company limited by guarantee with articles of association that allow the directors to do what they wish as long as they don't run foul of The Companies Act.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #464 on: February 18, 2014, 11:48:50 AM »
Well the next best thing;- a private company limited by guarantee with articles of association that allow the directors to do what they wish as long as they don't run foul of The Companies Act.

Which they haven't.  Don't you think we would know if they had?