Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?

[Lyall]

Nobody knows what's true and what's drama added afterwards do they.

Probably the first police on the scene couldn't tell either.

[Eleanor]

Who allowed 5A to be relet several times before the dogs were brought over?

[Mr Gray]

so no one stated the shutters were closed...looks like kate was telling the truth

[jassi]

Nobody knows what's true and what's drama added afterwards do they.

I bet the abductor can't believe his luck that so much confusion  reigned  and the forensics so obscured that his very presence has gone completely undetected.

[Redblossom]

That's what I couldn't work out.. in what sense would they not have the legal power?

Not as if the owner of the property was there and objected to people milling around.

I suppose that was part of the problem. Owner absent; OC only managers; McCanns temporary guests. The apartment was under no-one's real jurisdiction; a free for all.

LOL SH you surprise me now, stop being silly

Nothing to do with apartments, owners or mark Warner or guests, Or who has jurisdiction over personally owned concrete, legal power as in if it's in their police powers to seal off crime scenes as part of the gnr and not the PJ, that's all I asked

[stephen25000]

so no one stated the shutters were closed...looks like kate was telling the truth

 

Just like she said no one else was searching for Madeleine. >@@(*&)

To jemmy or not to jemmy, that is the question ?

[Redblossom]

I bet the abductor can't believe his luck that so much confusion  reigned  and the forensics so obscured that his very presence has gone completely undetected.

the scarlet pimpernel is famously very lucky

[Redblossom]

Just like she said no one else was searching for Madeleine. >@@(*&)

To jemmy or not to jemmy, that is the question ?

Well, as we have been told anyone who says the mccanns said the window was jemmied is a liar but it's been proven gerrys sister used his relayed words on tv

Oh and of course no one was looking is an ungrateful comment as half the village was looking till  4 or 5 am...people not allowed to sleep? Considering KM didn't go out looking at all! Until that is when she rewrote history in her "book" and said she did go sprinting up and down the road

Eta

OK had enough of another day full of posts here say how crap the PT police are/were, what a bad bloke Amaral  is, how Portugal is such a corrupt country, how SY are so much better and they will solve the case,people coming out in lesions and fumigating at the mouth at the suggestion that parents might be hiding something when it's perfectly possible they are,  others insisting judges and juries got it all wrong when convicting leonor cipriano and her rancid brother of murder,though offering no evidence of why they did get it wrong, all getting so trifly boring,  lets see shall we? What happens?


 >@@(*&)

Laters

[Carana]

That's what I couldn't work out.. in what sense would they not have the legal power?

Not as if the owner of the property was there and objected to people milling around.

I suppose that was part of the problem. Owner absent; OC only managers; McCanns temporary guests. The apartment was under no-one's real jurisdiction; a free for all.

As far as I can gather, the GNR seem to be the local rural police. They're not the CID, they seem to deal with what are potentially minor incidents. If a serious crime is suspected, they refer up to the PJ.

[Lyall]

so no one stated the shutters were closed...looks like kate was telling the truth

A lot could have been cleared up in the book, davel, if explanations existed. But not for the first time (or last) nothing was.

[Carana]

If you look at the graphic of the forensic search which I posted just above or a page ago, it concentrated on the children's bedroom and the path towards both door exits. In the immediate aftermath, that seems fair enough. However, I'm not aware that a further, complete, forensic sweep was ever ordered, e.g., the parents' bedroom, the bathroom, kitchen, etc.

[Estuarine]

kate said the shutters were open..in order to show kate was lying we would need a statement saying the shutters were not open...is there such a statement...no

Try trawling through the GNR statements

[Sherlock Holmes]

LOL SH you surprise me now, stop being silly

Nothing to do with apartments, owners or mark Warner or guests, Or who has jurisdiction over personally owned concrete, legal power as in if it's in their police powers to seal off crime scenes as part of the gnr and not the PJ, that's all I asked

All I meant, Red,was that no-one was really taking charge of the situation (or so it appeared).

Police would have had full authority to control who was going in or out but did not appear to exercise it. THe fact that the apartment was an essentially empty shell,  rather than a private home where the homeowner was resident, added to the sense of free for all that allowed so many people to walk in and out.

[Eleanor]

For a start The McCanns had no real right to tell Mark Warner staff to get out.  And they would have been in no fit state to stop other people who were supposedly trying to help.

[Sherlock Holmes]

For a start The McCanns had no real right to tell Mark Warner staff to get out.  And they would have been in no fit state to stop other people who were supposedly trying to help.

That's right. They would hardly be thinking at that level anyway. Too traumatised. Open house it was.