Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?

[pegasus]

Getting back to topic, this is surely the most likely scenario in any case.

Even if we could prove being put into a vehicle where the GNR dog trails end, it would surely be an error in logic to assume that the vehicle then goes to outside PDL.

[VIXTE]

Even if we could prove being put into a vehicle where the GNR trails end, it would surely be an error in logic to assume that the vehicle then goes to outside PDL.

IMO Madeleine was put ito a vehicle near the 5A and dropped off near the Smiths sighting.

Although the near Lagos pulling of a girl in the early hours seen by witness Burke was never fully investigated. PJ went there and took the statement and that was all..

[Sherlock Holmes]

Even if we could prove being put into a vehicle where the GNR dog trails end, it would surely be an error in logic to assume that the vehicle then goes to outside PDL.

That's a good point.

But I certainly don't think that it's an error of logic to assume there was a car - even though there is no physical evidence of it.

In fact I think it is an error of logic to imagine an abduction without a car.

[Sherlock Holmes]

IMO Madeleine was put ito a vehicle near the 5A and dropped off near the Smiths sighting.

Although the near Lagos pulling of a girl in the early hours seen by witness Burke was never fully investigated. PJ went there and took the statement and that was all..

Yes, the Burke sighting is interesting.

But how do you imagine Madeleine got to Lagos if she was dropped off near the Smith sighting? And why not take her straight to Lagos?

[VIXTE]

Yes, the Burke sighting is interesting.

But how do you imagine Madeleine got to Lagos if she was dropped off near the Smith sighting? And why not take her straight to Lagos?

I think Burke's sighting was in Lagos marina. So I imagine she was took to Lagos by boat.. from near Smiths sighting and this boat could have been a small boat..

Also if I remember well on the Smiths sighting route towards the beach there is a restaurant.. and the person carrying the girl would have passed next to this restaurant.. but not sure about this, this is somewhere on the back of my mind..

It was never concluded who Burke saw.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I think Burke's sighting was in Lagos marina. So I imagine she was took to Lagos by boat.. from near Smiths sighting and this boat could have been a small boat..

Also if I remember well on the Smiths sighting route towards the beach there is a restaurant.. and the person carrying the girl would have passed next to this restaurant.. but not sure about this, this is somewhere on the back of my mind..

It was never concluded who Burke saw.

Yes, it was Lagos marina.

What does the little restaurant have to do with it?

[pegasus]

IMO if someone is risking transporting something secret, there are big risks driving to some distant and unknown rural location, so the person may be more likely to drive to a place which is nearby and which they are familiar with and where it is completely unsuspicious if they are seen.

[VIXTE]

Yes, it was Lagos marina.

What does the little restaurant have to do with it?

People using the restaurant that night wouldn't be aware of it.. there should be a media call for them to ask them if they saw anything suspicious.

But I am not sure about the restaurant tough.. as I said, it is somewhere on the back of my mind that he had to pass the restaurant and cannot go any other way..

[Sherlock Holmes]

IMO if someone is risking transporting something secret, there are big risks driving to some distant and unknown rural location, so the person may be more likely to drive to a place which is nearby and which they are familiar with and where it is completely unsuspicious if they are seen.

Is this the 'hiding in plain sight' idea, pegasus?

Because the Smith sighting was very close to the social area in PdL. Carrier had to walk across that road with several restaurants and bars, and probably walked near or past the little restaurant that VIXTE refers to (The Dolphin restaurant on Rua da Calheta, is that right, VIXTE?).

[VIXTE]

Is this the 'hiding in plain sight' idea, pegasus?

Because the Smith sighting was very close to the social area in PdL. Carrier had to walk across that road with several restaurants and bars, and probably walked near or past the little restaurant that VIXTE refers to (The Dolohin restaruant on Rua da Calheta, is that right, VIXTE?).

Yes, I think you are right.
That, actually would be very brave. Why would he do that?
Although if he was a thief that wouldn't be unusual.

When I was younger we had a thief living in our building. He once asked my ex boyfriend if he could give him a lift to pick up a huge gas bottle ' from his grandma' and my ex being naive said 'yes why not' and he drove him to his 'grandma's house' and my ex naively waited for the guy and the guy went into the house, took the gas bottle, opened the car, put the gas bottle in the car.. and this is when my ex saw a guy from the house running and shouting.. but the thief just said 'drive' .. my ex did not drive.. he stopped.. and he discussed the situation with the owner.. that was so funny.. we were laughing for years but it could be something similar with Madeleine.. if he was a thief he would not be afraid like.. they just go..

My family has a holiday home and we use one particular guy for handy jobs and we were warned by several people to not to use him but he does excellent job and he is very cheap and kind of able and friendly so we continued to use him.. once the police came to our door, they said the followed him to our house and he might have left a stolen goods in our home.. we let them search but they found nothing.. although the guy ended up in prison that time and we never saw him again.. he did hide the stolen goods but not in our house, he left it next door.. that guy was also cool, who would say he was a thief.. and he just stole something and 10 minutes later came to us to do his work..

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, I think you are right.
That, actually would be very brave. Why would he do that?
Although if he was a thief that wouldn't be unusual.

When I was younger we had a thief living in our building. He once asked my ex boyfriend if he could give him a lift to pick up a huge gas bottle ' from his grandma' and my ex being naive said 'yes why not' and he drove him to his 'grandma's house' and my ex naively waited for the guy and the guy went into the house, took the gas bottle, opened the car, put the gas bottle in the car.. and this is when my ex saw a guy from the house running and shouting.. but the thief just said 'drive' .. my ex did not drive.. he stopped.. and he discussed the situation with the owner.. that was so funny.. we were laughing for years but it could be something similar with Madeleine.. if he was a thief he would not be afraid like.. they just go..

My family has a holiday home and we use one particular guy for handy jobs and we were warned by several people to not to use him but he does excellent job and he is very cheap and kind of able and friendly so we continued to use him.. once the police came to our door, they said the followed him to our house and he might have left a stolen goods in our home.. we let them search but they found nothing.. although the guy ended up in prison that time and we never saw him again.. he did hide the stolen goods but not in our house, he left it next door..

Yes, it's certainly something that is done. Very funny about the gas bottle!

There are many thefts from shops where the thief simply walks brazenly out of the shop with a large object in their arms and no-one thinks to stop and ask if they actually paid for it.

However in Madeleine's case, it would have been a profound concern that the alarm was surely about to be raised and a search of the town was imminent.

Seems strange to me that in that case Madeleine would be exposed in this way.

[pegasus]

........In fact I think it is an error of logic to imagine an abduction without a car.

That might seem logical to us but in reality there have been cases where no motor transport was involved.

[Angelo222]

wasnt done at the time but according Redwood the parents are in the clear now

Redwood has never said that anyone was in the clear.  His repeated line is that they are not suspects or persons of interest.

[Benice]

Redwood has never said that anyone was in the clear.  His repeated line is that they are not suspects or persons of interest.

So where in his following statement does he even hint that the McCanns or their friends are not in the clear?

Quote
''Neither her parents or any members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects''
DCI Redwood
Unquote.

That seems as clear as crystal to me.

[stephen25000]

Redwood has never said that anyone was in the clear.  His repeated line is that they are not suspects or persons of interest.

Why are certain people worries if they believe the mccanns are in the 'clear' ?

Why the need for repeated posts on the issue if there is nothing to worry about ?