The initial time-line and events immediately after 10pm.

[Carana]

Kate had already searched...

How long does it take to thoroughly search a 2 brm holiday apartment?  How many people does it need?

Why didnt Kate call Madeleine's name?

The GNR also searched the apartment when they arrived prior to calling the PJ.

[jassi]

The GNR also searched the apartment when they arrived prior to calling the PJ.

Would they not have been failing in their duty if they hadn't searched the apartment?

[Carana]

Would they not have been failing in their duty if they hadn't searched the apartment?

Clearly, in my view. But I was responding to Silkywhiskers comment:

Quote from: Silkywhiskers on Today at 06:56:07 PM

    Kate had already searched...

    How long does it take to thoroughly search a 2 brm holiday apartment?  How many people does it need?

    Why didnt Kate call Madeleine's name?

[pathfinder73]

[Gerry and Matt had been trying to get the OC to ring the police. ]

Fiona asked Matt to go and call according to her and Matt at around 10.10pm. Gerry was busy elsewhere.

[jassi]

[Gerry and Matt had been trying to get the OC to ring the police. ]

Fiona asked Matt to go and call according to her and Matt at around 10.10pm. Gerry was busy elsewhere.

So I believe 

[AnneGuedes]

So I believe 

Moi itou 

[pegasus]

No PO asked for a timeline to be done.
Who isn't completely honest, Pegasus ?

In 5A that night a PJ officer says no he does not want them to contact press but instead yes he wants the timeline which is being written down, it is in the files, link available.

‘That’s what we want’

[AnneGuedes]

In 5A that night a PJ officer says no he does not want them to contact press but instead yes he wants the timeline which is being written down, it is in the files, link available.

Yes, once it existed, the PO wanted it, but he didn't ask them to do a time-line, nor two, nor three..

[pegasus]

Yes, once it existed, the PO wanted it, but he didn't ask them to do a time-line, nor two, nor three..

I think it was reasonable to assume that the PJ would ask for the times people were at the apartment, so it was reasonable for ROB to write the times down. This witness is IMO veracious and was constructively trying to help.

[AnneGuedes]

I think it was reasonable to assume that the PJ would ask for the times people were at the apartment, so it was reasonable for ROB to write the times down. This witness is IMO veracious and was constructively trying to help.

  Pegasus, all witnesses are veracious for you !
But, you see, PO usually interview witnesses separately... For obvious reasons.
And, ask ex-inspector Moita Flores, he'll tell you that the TP9 should have been interviewed in such a way that none of them could know what the others told. It is the normal, only way. But, there it is, they were still hoping to find an alive little girl.

[Silkywhiskers]

Indeed.

Why waste manpower searching borders and ferries when the suspects are behaving as guilty as sin, right before your eyes?

Whoever says "they were upset" - well no they weren't.

Police see dead children, maybe not once a week but certainly a couple of times per year, traffic fatalities, accidental drowning etc.

They also see grieving parents.  It's part of their job.

They know when something smells.  Part instinct, part experience.  It is why the final PJ report says that the parents could not be cleared because they did not cooperate and allow themselves to be cleared.

It smells.

Of course BHH has names. 

[AnneGuedes]

Indeed.

Why waste manpower searching borders and ferries when the suspects are behaving as guilty as sin, right before your eyes?

Whoever says "they were upset" - well no they weren't.

They were in a terrible state, genuinely, this is why it was hard, almost inhuman to suspect them.

[Silkywhiskers]

They were in a terrible state, genuinely, this is why it was hard, almost inhuman to suspect them.

Yes I can imagine their anxiety was sky high.

I understand why the Portugese and others had a hard time wrapping their heads around it.

I don't however.  That is where the evidence lies.  Like Casey Anthony and Neil Entwhistle before them, it's incredibly hard to believe that such bland normal looking people could be scheming beasts, but we know it happens.

[pathfinder73]

These http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap19 didn't require translating!

Yes Gerry 9.10-15. He was away longer than 5 minutes   

And in the 2nd timeline:

9pm Matt checks
9.15 Gerry

Funny Matt said Gerry left as soon as he returned so how has that become 15 minutes later?

That's why the first check stands out and probably where the answer lies to Madeleine's disappearance.

[Redblossom]

Yes Gerry 9.10-15. He was away longer than 5 minutes   

And in the 2nd timeline:

9pm Matt checks
9.15 Gerry

Funny Matt said Gerry left as soon as he returned so how has that become 15 minutes later?

That's why the first check stands out and probably where the answer lies to Madeleine's disappearance.

I dont think any of the tapas groups "times" can be taken as spot on/reliable...well apart from Gerry who seemed to look at his stopwatch and tell the actual minute he or Kate got up! Now why the heck would he do that? What a strange strange case.