Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[AnneGuedes]

The dogs did not fail to find Kate Prouts body.  They would never have found her body no matter how many times they were taken there.  Why is that?  It's because she was wrapped in carpet and then wrapped in plastic sheeting..... which is an impermeable membrane. 

"Detective inspector Steve Bean of Gloucestershire Police told the inquest that Prout confessed to wrapping the body in a carpet and plastic sheeting and putting it in his Range Rover."

http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/9687871.print/

How do you think test materials are transported for testing cadaver dogs?  In non permeable containers or they would be alerting all over the place whilst in transit.

Dogs are trained not to scent impermeable membranes.   When providing training samples for dogs such odours have to be contained, in gas impermeable containers. This has presented problems in that trainee dogs might begin to identify the scent of container (neoprene, plastic type etc) so they are now deconditioned to alert to such.

By the same token an EVRD  which responds to human trace odours only will not identify odour of impermeable membrane around a body So, with right 'wrapping' or containment, dogs can miss cadaver as not trained to scent impermeable membrane.

Eddie alerted in the living room at the Prout house and he was proven correct when Prout eventually confessed to murdering his wife.

Given the dogs training regarding not scenting to impermeables and that Eddie alerted in the living room  to where Kate's body had lain, I do not consider that to be a fail by Eddie by any stretch of the imagination.

Ah, many thanks for that, Serendipity. I suspected this and asked John how the body was buried, buy my post was deleted.

[Serendipity]

Ah, many thanks for that, Serendipity. I suspected this and asked John how the body was buried, buy my post was deleted.

My pleasure Anne :)

[John]

Kate Prout's remains were never in the family home so what Eddie was reacting to was secondary transfer, obviously carried by her killer as he moved the body from the shooting lodge to the Land Rover and then to the woods before he went home and sat on the settee.

After she was strangled Kate's remains were wrapped in a pair of curtains taken from the shooting lodge where the assault took place.   She was then placed in the back of a Land Rover 4x4 while Prout went to the pub.  He later buried her using a mechanical digger within some pheasant pens in the woods.

So there you have it, Eddie detected the scent of a cadaver, he did not detect the cadaver.

[Serendipity]

Kate Prout's remains were never in the family home so what Eddie was reacting to was secondary transfer, obviously carried by her killer as he moved the body from the shooting lodge to the Land Rover and then into the woods.

After she was strangled Kate's remains were wrapped in a pair of curtains taken from the shooting lodge where the assault took place.   She was then placed in the back of a Land Rover 4x4 while Prout went to the pub.  He later buried her within pheasant pens in the woods.

So there you have it, Eddie detected the scent of a cadaver, he did not detect the cadaver.

So he did what it said on the tin. That was his role, to detect human remains or where those human remains had come into contact either directly or by transferance. He did that, did he not? That he did not find the body does not a fail make as the fact that the remains were wrapped in plastic (as verified at the inquest) prevented any scenting/alerts as he was deconditioned to impermeable membranes. Eddie alerted, justice was done and a man is behind bars. Job well done I say.

[colombosstogey]

So he did what it said on the tin. That was his role, to detect human remains or where those human remains had come into contact either directly or by transferance. He did that, did he not? That he did not find the body does not a fail make as the fact that the remains were wrapped in plastic (as verified at the inquest) prevented any scenting/alerts as he was deconditioned to impermeable membranes. Eddie alerted, justice was done and a man is behind bars. Job well done I say.

Yeh justice was done but the coconuts got away with it lol...Mind you where do you get coconuts from in Jersey which are nearly fossilized lol.

[AnneGuedes]

So he did what it said on the tin. That was his role, to detect human remains or where those human remains had come into contact either directly or by transferance. He did that, did he not? That he did not find the body does not a fail make as the fact that the remains were wrapped in plastic (as verified at the inquest) prevented any scenting/alerts as he was deconditioned to impermeable membranes. Eddie alerted, justice was done and a man is behind bars. Job well done I say.

By definition a impermeable membrane doesn't let anything pass, does it ?
I reported a case in France of a baby's remains which weren't detected by cadaver dogs, who nevertheless detected death in a bedroom. The body had been  wrapped in many plastic bags and stuck in a garden cabin full of rubbish.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yeh justice was done but the coconuts got away with it lol...Mind you where do you get coconuts from in Jersey which are nearly fossilized lol.

The Swallow may fly South with the sun. Or the House Martin or the Plummer may seek warmer climes in winter. Yet these are not strangers to our land.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVwBseJD9II

[Serendipity]

By definition a impermeable membrane doesn't let anything pass, does it ?
I reported a case in France of a baby's remains which weren't detected by cadaver dogs, who nevertheless detected death in a bedroom. The body had been  wrapped in many plastic bags and stuck in a garden cabin full of rubbish.

Aw that is so sad :(  I'm glad to hear that despite the perpetrators best efforts to hide the body and make it undetectable that cadaver dogs were able to help police bring them to justice with the bedroom alerts or they may well have gotten away with it without them. A very valuable tool in the quest for justice.

[pathfinder73]

Yes the question why were all signalled clothes from same box is interesting.
But back to the video of the living area, the challenge is, to look through that video and find the clothes.

Why do you insist those are clothes when it's a pile of papers and red book? Eddie didn't alert in that part of the room the first time he went in. Grime did the 2nd test with CC and Eddie went back in the 2nd time and barked. Conclusion - Eddie barked at CC.

[AnneGuedes]

Pegasus is ready to all extremities to find everybody innocent. S/he would convince better if he presented a possible guilty one for the disposal or the abduction.

[pegasus]

Why do you insist those are clothes when it's a pile of papers and red book? Eddie didn't alert in that part of the room the first time he went in. Grime did the 2nd test with CC and Eddie went back in the 2nd time and barked. Conclusion - Eddie barked at CC.

Maybe we can at least agree on some of the items on top of the sideboard.
In that photo you posted, starting from the back (far from the camera) there is a table lamp, a little closer is a black item, may we agree it is a bag? Now the next item, orangey pink, can we agree that it is not paperwork or book, but is some kind of fabric item? Like a towel maybe? What do you think it is?

[pegasus]

Pegasus is ready to all extremities to find everybody innocent.

A highly valued principle in many legal systems

[AnneGuedes]

A highly valued principle in many legal systems

Indeed, but Madeleine didn't disappeared by herself, or do you think she fell in a rabbit's hole like Alice ?

[Mr Gray]

Indeed, but Madeleine didn't disappeared by herself, or do you think she fell in a rabbit's hole like Alice ?

No as SY believe she was the victim of  a stranger abduction

[Carana]

So he did what it said on the tin. That was his role, to detect human remains or where those human remains had come into contact either directly or by transferance. He did that, did he not? That he did not find the body does not a fail make as the fact that the remains were wrapped in plastic (as verified at the inquest) prevented any scenting/alerts as he was deconditioned to impermeable membranes. Eddie alerted, justice was done and a man is behind bars. Job well done I say.

Eddie no doubt helped in several cases. What I object to is that what Grime actually said (although he phrased it in two different ways which may have led to some confusion) has been morphed by people on social media stating on various forums that Eddie had never been wrong and that his alerts had led to 200 homicide convictions.

Grime never said that.