Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[Redblossom]

In the inspection of the vehicles, Keela alerted to the boot but Eddie didn't (despite, at one point, being directed by Grime to the boot area and squatting under it for several seconds).

Key question: was that an alerting error by Keela (because there was no blood in the mix removed from the boot)?

Or was it an error of failing to alert by Eddie (because there was blood in the mix from the boot)?

Its just an error in your mind and agenda

[ferryman]

So ferryman, have you come up with any evidence to show the indications of the dogs were wrong in the mccann case ?

Was the apparent alert to cuddle-cat (second time of asking) an error of omission?  Or an error of commission?

[stephen25000]

Was the apparent alert to cuddle-cat (second time of asking) an error of omission?  Or an error of commission?

You are not answering the question.

Can you say, with your 'expert' opinion on the case, that the dogs got it wrong ?

[ferryman]

You are not answering the question.

Can you say, with your 'expert' opinion on the case, that the dogs got it wrong ?

I have answered your question. 

The only point of uncertainty is what sort of error.

[Serendipity]

Was the apparent alert to cuddle-cat (second time of asking) an error of omission?  Or an error of commission?

No error.

Eddie was not wrong re cuddle cat. You obviously missed my post from another thread from the back end of last month.

The reason Martin put cuddle cat in the cupboard is explained below.



http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/01/20/30870/indiana-bones-cadaver-dog-severed-limbs-hollywood/

[Mr Gray]

No error.

Eddie was not wrong re cuddle cat. You obviously missed my post from another thread from the back end of last month.

The reason Martin put cuddle cat in the cupboard is explained below.



http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/01/20/30870/indiana-bones-cadaver-dog-severed-limbs-hollywood/

Grime was asked in his rog if the toy cadaver alert confirmed a positive id for cadaver.......he avoided giving a direct answer to that question...pity

[Serendipity]

Grime was asked in his rog if the toy cadaver alert confirmed a positive id for cadaver.......he avoided giving a direct answer to that question...pity

Take it you've not read this from his statement regarding the toy then?
 
It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Note too that Keela did not alert when screened separately. 

Eddie alerting but Keela does not  = cadaver scent
Eddie and Keela alerting = blood

[ferryman]

Grime was asked in his rog if the toy cadaver alert confirmed a positive id for cadaver.......he avoided giving a direct answer to that question...pity

He also said that he had requested the toy to be sent for forensic analysis.

It never was ...

[Mr Gray]

Take it you've not read this from his statement regarding the toy then?
 
It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Note too that Keela did not alert when screened separately. 

Eddie alerting but Keela does not  = cadaver scent
Eddie and Keela alerting = blood

yes I did read that...Grime said that it is possible....possible is a very vague word

[Serendipity]

yes I did read that...Grime said that it is possible....possible is a very vague word

Splittin hairs again Dave?  He also says this:

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Given that his dogs were never wrong, then it is highly likely that it was cadaver scent.  Just because a body was not found does not mean that Eddie was wrong does it?

[Mr Gray]

Splittin hairs again Dave?  He also says this:

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Given that his dogs were never wrong, then it is highly likely that it was cadaver scent.  Just because a body was not found does not mean that Eddie was wrong does it?

It is not given that the dogs have never been wrong......that's a myth

not splitting hairs...grime uses the words possible and suggestive...he gives no indication of the likelihood of the alert confirming cadaver

[Serendipity]

It is not given that the dogs have never been wrong......that's a myth

not splitting hairs...grime uses the words possible and suggestive...he gives no indication of the likelihood of the alert confirming cadaver

Nope, it's not a myth.  Can you show me a case where the dogs have been proven to be wrong please?

[Mr Gray]

Nope, it's not a myth.  Can you show me a case where the dogs have been proven to be wrong please?

if you are saying the dogs have never been wrong it  is you who should proof...you cant
The truth is we don't know when the dogs are right or wrong in many cases.the coconut in jersey is one example

[Serendipity]

if you are saying the dogs have never been wrong it  is you who should proof...you cant
The truth is we don't know when the dogs are right or wrong in many cases.the coconut in jersey is one example

No Dave, the onus is on you to cite cases where the dogs have been wrong if you are claiming a myth is it not?  Cite just one case where Eddie alerted to cadaver scent and whoever was missing turned up alive and well if you can please?

I have demonstrated further up in this thread how the dogs were not wrong in Jersey in respect of tissues and 'coconut' so you cannot claim such.

[Mr Gray]

No Dave, the onus is on you to cite cases where the dogs have been wrong if you are claiming a myth is it not?  Cite just one case where Eddie alerted to cadaver scent and whoever was missing turned up alive and well if you can please?

I have demonstrated further up in this thread how the dogs were not wrong in Jersey in respect of tissues and 'coconut' so you cannot claim such.

this is where your whole argument falls apart...you claim the dogs have never been wrong but cannot supply proof....if the dogs had never been wrong why was grime not sure that the dogs had alerted to cadaver...grime says that it is possible...what degree of certainty do you imagine this means...thats all it is ...your imagination