Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?

[pathfinder73]

Good point. All 9 people in the group saw the man. A few are too young to do an efit. So which two did the efits?

Kate left the tapas bar at 10.03pm according to Gerry looking at his watch 

"It being 22h03, he again alerted KATE that it was time to check the children." (GM 10 May)     

Smithman was close to the church at that time  REMEMBER that time 10.03pm it's very important!

[sadie]

Kate left the tapas bar at 10.03pm according to Gerry looking at his watch 

"it being 22h03, he again alerted KATE that it was time to check the children." (GM 10 May)     

Smithman was close to the church at that time 

What do you mean.  Smithman was close to the Church at that time?  Can you please indicate where you got that from, cos I have never seen it.

[pathfinder73]

Investigate that time Sadie 10.03pm. Why was that exact time so important? It doesn't relate to the tapas bar.

[sadie]

Investigate that time Sadie 10.03pm plucked out of nowhere as the alarm was raised before 10.03pm. So why was that time so important?

Where does "the near to the church" come from Pathfinder?  I have never seen that in any statement.  Can you pls identify it in the statements

[AnneGuedes]

If an innocent man with child is found to have been Smithman, what next?
That would leave us with JT sighting irrelevant and Smith sighting irrelevant.
Is it possible for someone to carry something out with absolutely no-one seeing?

According to you, Pegasus, a burglar opened the shutters and window and for some reason had to leave right after. Innocent.
Mrs McCann found those shutters and window open and thanks to the burglar  she could immediately deduce that Madeleine had been abducted. Innocent.
Mr McCann confirmed what Mrs McCann said. Innocent.
Before Ms Tanner had seen Crecheman whom she erroneously thought was Tannerman but finally was Innocentman. Innocent.
Finally the Smith family meets Smithman who openly strolls in PDL, passes by cafés and restaurants towards a shore likely to get some fresh air. Innocent.
Where has Madeleine gone ? Did she fall down the rabbit hole or go through the Looking Glass ?

[pathfinder73]

Where does "the near to the church" come from Pathfinder?  I have never seen that in any statement.  Can you pls identify it in the statements

Smithman was heading towards the church when passing the Smith family i.e. 25 de Abril.

[sadie]

Smithman was heading towards the church when passing the Smith family i.e. 25 de Abril.

Two things Pahfinder
1) He was heading either towards Sergie Malinkas and the Church down Rua 25 abril  .... or he was heading down the steps towards the little rocky beach cove.  Or, tbh,  I suppose anywhere that we haven't thought of.

2)  at the final Smith sighting stage he was almost 150 metres away from the Church.  When considering a case such as this, even if he were going in that direction, realistically150 metres could not be classed as near the Church.

Could it?

[Sherlock Holmes]

If an innocent man with child is found to have been Smithman, what next?
That would leave us with JT sighting irrelevant and Smith sighting irrelevant.
Is it possible for someone to carry something out with absolutely no-one seeing?

In a quiet place in the dark, why not?

Madeleine could have been put into a car at the back of apartment 5A, witnessed neither by neighbors who were in their apartments minding their own business, nor by T9 or any other potential passers by - the net result of a combination of planning and luck.

[pegasus]

According to you, Pegasus, a burglar opened the shutters and window and for some reason had to leave right after. Innocent.
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Not some vague reason, but a specific reason, being disturbed.
But first, essential to the whole theory, is the assumption that the person thinks there is no-one in.

[pegasus]

In a quiet place in the dark, why not? ...

Ok but what about time?
When Innocenttouristman was the main focus, that put the event at about 9.20pm
Later when when Smithman became the focus, that put the event at about 10.00pm
But if Smithman also gets found to irrelevant (as proposed by this thread), what time did the event happen?

[pathfinder73]

Two things Pahfinder
1) He was heading either towards Sergie Malinkas and the Church down Rua 25 abril  .... or he was heading down the steps towards the little rocky beach cove.  Or, tbh,  I suppose anywhere that we haven't thought of.

2)  at the final Smith sighting stage he was almost 150 metres away from the Church.  When considering a case such as this, even if he were going in that direction, realistically150 metres could not be classed as near the Church.

Could it?

Smithman was not going down narrow lanes or brightly lit steps that he'd never used before. He knew how to get to his destination so he reached the church IMO - you follow that road and it takes you there. Go past the church and derelict house and it leads you to Kate's rocks.

[ferryman]

No need to get personal.   I was merely replying to your post below pointing  out that it was Mr. Smith who said that only one member out of all of his family members agreed with him.   That leaves quite a large number who didn't.

Your post:-
Mr Smith's son and his wife didn't state that they didn't think Mr McCann could be Smithman.
Unquote

From memory Mr Smith said that he had spoken to all his family with him that night, and the only one who felt he might have had a point was his wife.

Among those to disagree with Mr Smith, then, was his daughter Aoife, for my money, far the most astute and assured observer of what the Smiths all saw that night.

[Wonderfulspam]

From memory Mr Smith said that he had spoken to all his family with him that night, and the only one who felt he might have had a point was his wife.

Among those to disagree with Mr Smith, then, was his daughter Aoife, for my money, far the most astute and assured observer of what the Smiths all saw that night.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

She also had a light top, with long sleeves.


Interestingly then, since we know for a fact that Maddie was definitely wearing a short sleeved pair of Eeyore jammies, because that's what the McCanns have said and they should know because they put her to bed (one or both of them, not sure which, neither are they) the Smiths sighting definitely wasn't Maddie, that explains why the efits didn't feature in Kates book, no need.

[ferryman]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

She also had a light top, with long sleeves.


Interestingly then, since we know for a fact that Maddie was definitely wearing a short sleeved pair of Eeyore jammies, because that's what the McCanns have said and they should know because they put her to bed (one or both of them, not sure which, neither are they) the Smiths sighting definitely wasn't Maddie, that explains why the efits didn't feature in Kates book, no need.

As likely as not, a translation error ...

[Wonderfulspam]

As likely as not, a translation error ...

Which bit, the jammies or the McCanns having a suspiciously poor recollection of who exactly put their precious daughter to bed?