Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?

[pegasus]

There are several waterfront people listed Processos Vol IV Pages 856 to 858

[pathfinder73]

Thanks.

04-Processos Vol IV Pages 856 to 858

Service Information

Date: 09-05-2007 

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

From: Inspector Pontes 

Subject: Informal Conversation

An informal and individual conversation was held with the following witnesses after having examined all involvement relevant to the current investigation, it was found that the following reports do not imply anything of significance:

-          John Hill, MW Resort General Manager at the OC, born on 04/10/1976, resident in Espiche, who arrived in Portugal for the first time on 4th March, 2006.

-          Nathan D***** S*****, Waterfront Manager (recreation company - boat trips, of which he is the manager) at the OC, resident in Luz, having arrived in Portugal on 15th March 2007, immediately entering into the functions described above. This is his first time in Portugal whether for leisure or work purposes.

-          Lauren D******   from West Sussex, Sailing instructor at the OC, arrived in Portugal on 21st March 2007 for the first time.

-          Sebastian G*******, from Derbyshire, Sports Instructor at  the OC, arrived in Portugal for the first time on 21st March 2007.

-          Alice S*******, from Cambridge, Sailing Instructor at the OC, arrived in Portugal for the first time on 21st March 2007.

-          Fraser N****, Water sports instructor at the OC, arrived in Portugal for the time on 21st April 2007.- Benjamin W******, from Gloucester, employee of the OC in Luz (residence unknown, apartment hired by the resort).

- Christopher U******, from Leeds, employee of the OC in Luz, (residence unknown, apartment hired by the resort).

-  Stephen C****** from Bristol, employee of the OC in Luz, (residence unknown, apartment hired by the resort).

-  Robert C***, from Doncaster, Maintenance Driver, arrived in Portugal for the first time on 18th May 2007.

Signed.
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Missing from files

Processo 04 page 852

 Euan Crosby OC Beach Manager
 Nathan Daniel Francis Scarll [or Scarf] Waterfront Manager  04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_867
 Robert Cook Driver/Maintenance
 Stephen Steve] Edward Carruthers Dual Qualified Instructor  04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_862.
 Claire Louise Bennet Dual Qualified Instructor
 Sebastian  Bollen   Godsmark    Dual Qualified Instructor  04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_866.
 Clare Hicks Dual Qualified Instructor
 Lauren Hilder-Darling Dual Qualified Instructor  04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_865.
 Steven Jackson Dual Qualified Instructor
 Elizabeth Miles Ocean Club nanny
 Fraser Calum Nixon [or Nickson] Dual Qualified Instructor   04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_859.
 Mark Shult Ocean Club nanny
 Sarah Jane Tily Ocean Club nanny
 Benjamin Wilkins Dinghy Instructor   04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_861
 Alice_Louise_Stanley   Assistant Instructor  04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_864.
 Chris Unsworth Windsurf Instructor   04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_863.

[pegasus]

On the "prevous residents" thread, someone pointed out the excellent accuracy and detail in the statement of a teenage girl TS.

At the Smith sighting we have a similar situation where younger witnesses recall more small details.
12 year old AS remembered that the child's top was long-sleeved.
13 year old TS remembered that the man was wearing a long-sleeved black jacket/coat, and also remembered that the child was barefoot.
Details the young members of the group recalled but the adults did not.

[sadie]

On the "prevous residents" thread, someone pointed out the excellent accuracy and detail in the statement of a teenage girl TS.

At the Smith sighting we have a similar situation where younger witnesses recall more small details.
12 year old AS remembered that the child's top was long-sleeved.
13 year old TS remembered that the man was wearing a long-sleeved black jacket/coat, and also remembered that the child was barefoot.
Details the young members of the group recalled but the adults did not.

Both very bright girls with outstanding observation ability ... and recall.  I always valued Aofies statement hiigher than the others because of her sharp eye and attention to detail.  Same with Tasmin.

[AnneGuedes]

On the "prevous residents" thread, someone pointed out the excellent accuracy and detail in the statement of a teenage girl TS.

At the Smith sighting we have a similar situation where younger witnesses recall more small details.
12 year old AS remembered that the child's top was long-sleeved.
13 year old TS remembered that the man was wearing a long-sleeved black jacket/coat, and also remembered that the child was barefoot.
Details the young members of the group recalled but the adults did not.

It's not TS, but TA.
What do you infer, Pegasus ? Who was wrong about the pyjamas ? Aoife, Mrs McCann or the translator ?

[sadie]

It's not TS, but TA.
What do you infer, Pegasus ? Who was wrong about the pyjamas ? Aoife, Mrs McCann or the translator ?

TA ?

[pegasus]

Apologies for my previous post being unclear. Here I improve it.
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On the "previous residents" thread, someone pointed out the excellent accuracy and detail in the statement of a teenage girl T.Sillence.
At the Smith sighting we have a similar situation where younger witnesses recall more small details.
12 year old A.Smith remembered that the child's top was long-sleeved.
13 year old T.Smith remembered that the man was wearing a long-sleeved black jacket/coat, and also remembered that the child was barefoot.
Young members of the Smith group recalled those important details, which the adults did not.
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[AnneGuedes]

Apologies for my previous post being unclear. Here I improve it.
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On the "previous residents" thread, someone pointed out the excellent accuracy and detail in the statement of a teenage girl T.Sillence.
At the Smith sighting we have a similar situation where younger witnesses recall more small details.
12 year old A.Smith remembered that the child's top was long-sleeved.
13 year old T.Smith remembered that the man was wearing a long-sleeved black jacket/coat, and also remembered that the child was barefoot.
Young members of the Smith group recalled those important details, which the adults did not.
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T isn't a Smith, he's the son of Sire's first union.
Who's wrong on the pjs ? Aoife, Mrs McCann or the translator ?

[pegasus]

Both very bright girls with outstanding observation ability ... and recall.  I always valued Aofies statement hiigher than the others because of her sharp eye and attention to detail.  Same with Tasmin.

Yes, and as I said I would add a third observant child witness (see P.Smith statement) from whom we learn of smithman's longsleeved black jacket/coat and the child's bare feet.

[pegasus]

... Who was wrong about the pyjamas ? Aoife, Mrs McCann or the translator ?

IMO the mother is telling the truth that her child was wearing a short sleeved top the last time she saw her, and the young witness AS is likely to be correct that the child she saw  was wearing a long-sleeved top, and there are no translation errors in those details.
(P.S. Apologies for  getting a surname wrong earlier)

[sadie]

Yes, and as I said I would add a third observant child witness (see P.Smith statement) from whom we learn of smithman's longsleeved black jacket/coat and the child's bare feet.

Ah, yep 

These kids run rings around the adults when it comes to observation and recall.

[AnneGuedes]

IMO the mother is telling the truth that her child was wearing a short sleeved top the last time she saw her, and the young witness AS is likely to be correct that the child she saw  was wearing a long-sleeved top, and there are no translation errors in those details

ergo Smithman's child isn't Madeleine. Do you agree ?

[sadie]

IMO the mother is telling the truth that her child was wearing a short sleeved top the last time she saw her, and the young witness AS is likely to be correct that the child she saw  was wearing a long-sleeved top, and there are no translation errors in those details

I think you are right and that if the Smithman child was Madeleine, Smithman had popped in somewhere and managed to get her a warmer top.

I have always thought that there was a stop off at the Staff quarters in Rua D'Escola.  Just about 50 metres up the road from the first Smith sighting (was it Peter Smiths?)

According to someone on the old 3A's a scream was heard coming from there.

[sadie]

ergo Smithman's child isn't Madeleine. Do you agree ?

No, I dont.

Most likely it is Madeleine.

[pegasus]

ergo Smithman's child isn't Madeleine. Do you agree ?

I do not know. IMO is possible they are the same but if so that would mean a change into (or addition of) a longsleeved top occured prior to smith sighting.