DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.

[Mr Gray]

While you cling to every word that Redwood says if you can use it to support your viewpoint remember that Redwood has said the McCanns are not suspects. From the beginning Redwood has said that Maddie may be dead...nothing has changed as far as I am concerned.

[Mr Gray]

I tend to agree Icabodcrane, it's as if he is drip feeding the information into the public domain.

At it stands, Redwood and Scotland Yard...

* Believe the 'abduction' occurred much closer to 10.00pm.

* Believe Jane Tanner's sighting was of an innocent tourist.

* Believe it possible that Madeleine died in the apartment.

You are quoting out of context John...You should include..


Believe that Maddie may still be alive

Believe that the parents are not suspects

Believe that Maddie may be the victim of a serial offender


Makes a huge difference

[Benice]

While you cling to every word that Redwood says if you can use it to support your viewpoint remember that Redwood has said the McCanns are not suspects. From the beginning Redwood has said that Maddie may be dead...nothing has changed as far as I am concerned.

Apparently the GBP are surreptiously being drip fed certain info by SY via progs like Crimewatch  - to let us know that they are on the trail of the McCanns.

A severe case of 'wishful thinking' imo. 

[Mr Gray]

Sorry to bring the dogs back into it but.....for the serial offender scenario to work then 100% of the dog alerts where no blood was found would therefore need to be false. This is due to the timescales involved with cadaver scent. What are the chances that every alert was 100% false?

Also, as I asked in an earlier post that has been removed, if SY are looking for this serial offender then where is the list of dates and locations of each incident? Surely this should be standard practice when an appeal for witnesses is made? I have so far seen nothing of the sort which IMO makes the appeal half hearted. Why would SY make a half hearted appeal when a properly conducted one could solve the case? Or is that somehow not their opinion because as far as I recall they have only asked for NEW incidents to be reported?

A blood dog would probably find innocent blood in many places...Grime does not confirm that any of the cadaver alerts indicate cadaver scent

[stephen25000]

You are quoting out of context John...You should include..


Believe that Maddie may still be alive

Believe that the parents are not suspects

Believe that Maddie may be the victim of a serial offender


Makes a huge difference

Nah.

A belief is not evidence.

A belief is not proof.

Your belief as is Redwood's is somewhere between the orbits of Sol III and Sol IV.   

[Benice]

Sorry to bring the dogs back into it but.....for the serial offender scenario to work then 100% of the dog alerts where no blood was found would therefore need to be false. This is due to the timescales involved with cadaver scent. What are the chances that every alert was 100% false?

Also, as I asked in an earlier post that has been removed, if SY are looking for this serial offender then where is the list of dates and locations of each incident? Surely this should be standard practice when an appeal for witnesses is made? I have so far seen nothing of the sort which IMO makes the appeal half hearted. Why would SY make a half hearted appeal when a properly conducted one could solve the case? Or is that somehow not their opinion because as far as I recall they have only asked for NEW incidents to be reported?

We've been given locations - including Praia de Luz (2 reports).   I don't see why dates would be important - as SY just want to hear from anyone who may have been a victim of this criminal during the last several years - both before and after Madeleine's disappearance.

The last Crimewatch programme resulted in more families coming forward (4?)  - and I presume they are hoping that anyone else who may have information will also come forward after this latest appeal.


 

[Eleanor]

As usual it is all quite obvious to me.  Scotland Yard discarded the death scent long ago for various sensible reasons, and decided that The McCanns are innocent. 
So what he is saying now is that it is a possibility that Madeleine was killed in the appartment by an intruder bent on sexual abuse, and then removed by him, possibly for reasons of DNA.

[Eleanor]

We've been given locations - including Praia de Luz (2 reports).   I don't see why dates would be important - as SY just want to hear from anyone who may have been a victim of this criminal during the last several years - both before and after Madeleine's disappearance.

The last Crimewatch programme resulted in more families coming forward (4?)  - and I presume they are hoping that anyone else who may have information will also come forward after this latest appeal.


 

Scotland Yard are certainly not going to give out information that might identify the victims or their parents.
This isn't targeted at the likes of ordinary people to go poking their noses in.  It's targeted at people who already know something or might have had the same thing happen

[Benice]

As usual it is all quite obvious to me.  Scotland Yard discarded the death scent long ago for various sensible reasons, and decided that The McCanns are innocent. 
So what he is saying now is that it is a possibility that Madeleine was killed in the appartment by an intruder bent on sexual abuse, and then removed by him, possibly for reasons of DNA.

I agree.   And having made it crystal clear that the McCanns and their friends are not suspects or even persons of interest I presume he didn't think it was necessary to point out that if Madeleine did not leave the apartment alive - then it wasn't at the hands of the  McCanns.

However, - even if he had said that - then I'm sure that would be interpreted as SY 'lulling the McCanns iinto a false sense of security' by some.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't - every step of the way.

[stephen25000]

Scotland Yard are certainly not going to give out information that might identify the victims or their parents.
This isn't targeted at the likes of ordinary people to go poking their noses in.  It's targeted at people who already know something or might have had the same thing happen

Is that a belief  as well ?

 

[jassi]

As usual it is all quite obvious to me.  Scotland Yard discarded the death scent long ago for various sensible reasons, and decided that The McCanns are innocent. 
So what he is saying now is that it is a possibility that Madeleine was killed in the appartment by an intruder bent on sexual abuse, and then removed by him, possibly for reasons of DNA.

He isn't saying that at all - that is merely your interpretation.

He is simply saying that she might have died in the apartment. He is not making any assumption about reason for death.

[Eleanor]

Is that a belief  as well ?

 

No, just common sense. 

[Eleanor]

He isn't saying that at all - that is merely your interpretation.

He is simply saying that she might have died in the apartment. He is not making any assumption about reason for death.

So how does he think it happened?  And who removed the body if he believes that The McCanns are Innocent, as he has stated more than once?

[Cariad]

As usual it is all quite obvious to me.  Scotland Yard discarded the death scent long ago for various sensible reasons, and decided that The McCanns are innocent. 
So what he is saying now is that it is a possibility that Madeleine was killed in the appartment by an intruder bent on sexual abuse, and then removed by him, possibly for reasons of DNA.

If they've discarded the death scent, why say Madeleine could've died before she left the apartment? I assume they must have a reason for thinking that?

Also, this serial offender left DNA before and also left children alive who could identify him. They've given a good description, why remove a body?

Also, if these crimes then continued, why go back to the previous MO? I've heard of escalation, but not then deceleration.

[stephen25000]

So how does he think it happened?  And who removed the body if he believes that The McCanns are Innocent, as he has stated more than once?

Key word.

Believes................................