DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.

[Mr Gray]

Let's concentrate on what he  is  saying,  shall we  ?

He is saying that Scotland Yard think Madeleine may have died in the apartment

It is the first time that possibility has ever been raised by Scotland Yard

The cadaver dog's alerts in the apartment is the only logical basis on which to present such a possibility

no it isn't...the fact that a burglar may have woken maddie...and been killed accidentally...has already been discussed on this forum

[jassi]

no it isn't...the fact that a burglar may have woken maddie...and been killed accidentally...has already been discussed on this forum

But why should SY even think that unless they were paying some attention to the dogs?  There's no physical evidence that a burglar, or 3, was even there, let alone killed anyone.

[Eleanor]

You haven't told me, and I'm intensely interested in viable alternatives.

Read my posts.

[Sherlock Holmes]

What about, for example, if they have information that could suggest Smithman was carrying a dead child (as mentioned previously). Assuming the child was Madeleine, that is.

The chances of that death having occurred in the apartment, given the timing, would be reasonably high.

I am not suggesting that's what happened - it's just an example of a possibility.

Surely, logically, there are several possibilities - because there is a great deal of information about what happened that night that we don't have.

If the facts to hand represented all there was to know, then we could perhaps infer to exactly what certain statements relate.  But we don't have all the facts, and therefore there are other things Redwood may have in mind when he speaks.

[icabodcrane]

no it isn't...the fact that a burglar may have woken maddie...and been killed accidentally...has already been discussed on this forum

Andy Redwood said Scotland Yard think Madeleine may have died in the apartment

We can agree on that,  cant' we   ? 

What we are discussing is  Why  the Yard think that

I am suggesting it is because a cadaver dog alerted in the apartment

I think that is most logical conclusion to draw

[Sherlock Holmes]

But why should SY even think that unless they were paying some attention to the dogs?  There's no physical evidence that a burglar, or 3, was even there, let alone killed anyone.

But we don't know what evidence Scotland Yard - or other forces - may have.

[jassi]

But we don't know what evidence Scotland Yard - or other forces - may have.

True - but there were supposed to be no useful forensics. Have these been  re-examined/re-interpreted to provide new leads?

[Wonderfulspam]

Andy Redwood said Scotland Yard think Madeleine may have died in the apartment

We can agree on that,  cant' we   ? 

What we are discussing is  Why  the Yard think that

I am suggesting it is because a cadaver dog alerted in the apartment

I think that is most logical conclusion to draw

The problem is some would rather avoid the logical conclusions, like Smithman for example, buried under Bundleman for as long as they could, and they still don't want to let go of him.

[icabodcrane]

What about, for example, if they have information that could suggest Smithman was carrying a dead child (as mentioned previously). Assuming the child was Madeleine, that is.

The chances of that death having occurred in the apartment, given the timing, would be reasonably high.

I am not suggesting that's what happened - it's just an example of a possibility.

Surely, logically, there are several possibilities - because there is a great deal of information about what happened that night that we don't have.

If the facts to hand represented all there was to know, then we could perhaps infer to exactly what certain statements relate.  But we don't have all the facts, and therefore there are other things Redwood may have in mind when he speaks.

I don't understand why it is necessary to  'imagine'  what might have lead Scotland Yard into thinking Madeleine might have  died in the apartment  when we a fully aware of the information they  DO   have that would lead then into thinking it

The  fact that a cadaver dog alerted there

Why on earth is that being rejected as an explanation for the Yard  considering the possibility that Madeleine died in apartment 5A  ?

Why is it important to find a reason  other than Scotland Yard giving consideration to the  cadaver dog intelligence   ?

[Eleanor]

I don't understand why it is necessary to  'imagine'  what might have lead Scotland Yard into thinking Madeleine might have  died in the apartment  when we a fully aware of the information they  DO   have that would lead then into thinking it

The  fact that a cadaver dog alerted there

Why on earth is that being rejected as an explanation for the Yard  considering the possibility that Madeleine died in apartment 5A  ?

Why is it important to find a reason  other than Scotland Yard giving consideration to the  cadaver dog intelligence   ?

Because you are not allowed to hog the reasons.  This Forum is a Democracy and we all get to have a go.

[jassi]

I don't understand why it is necessary to  'imagine'  what might have lead Scotland Yard into thinking Madeleine might have  died in the apartment  when we a fully aware of the information they  DO   have that would lead then into thinking it

The  fact that a cadaver dog alerted there

Why on earth is that being rejected as an explanation for the Yard  considering the possibility that Madeleine died in apartment 5A  ?

Why is it important to find a reason  other than Scotland Yard giving consideration to the  cadaver dog intelligence   ?

Because the deniers fear where it might lead.

[icabodcrane]

Because you are not allowed to hog the reasons.  This Forum is a Democracy and we all get to have a go.

Of course,  but it seems the position being taken by some members is  :

"Yes,  we accept that Scotland Yard think  Madeleine might have died in the apartment,  but we reject it has anything to with the Yard knowing a cadaver dog alerted there

The Yard must have some 'other'  reason for thinking Madeleine might have died in apartment 5A,  because it  can't  be related to  the intelligence gathered through cadaver dog deployment  ...  it just  CAN'T  !"

It is not a  rational position to take   

[Eleanor]

Of course,  but it seems the position being taken by some members is  :

"Yes,  we accept that Scotland Yard think  Madeleine might have died in the apartment,  but we reject it has anything to with the Yard knowing a cadaver dog alerted there

The Yard must have some 'other'  reason for thinking Madeleine might have died in apartment 5A,  because it  can't  be related to  the intelligence gathered through cadaver dog deployment  ...  it just  CAN'T  !"

It is not a  rational position to take

The Yard COULD have other reasons.  Your reason hasn't cornered the market.

[Mr Gray]

Of course,  but it seems the position being taken by some members is  :

"Yes,  we accept that Scotland Yard think  Madeleine might have died in the apartment,  but we reject it has anything to with the Yard knowing a cadaver dog alerted there

The Yard must have some 'other'  reason for thinking Madeleine might have died in apartment 5A,  because it  can't  be related to  the intelligence gathered through cadaver dog deployment  ...  it just  CAN'T  !"

It is not a  rational position to take

It is perfectly rational....death in the apt would have been an option with or without the alerts...do you not agree

[jassi]

A known death in the apartment would give more validity to the alert.
If a possible death is conceded, what is the problem with the alert being likely to be correct?