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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #420 on: July 28, 2014, 01:14:48 PM »
There is a fan on the wall in the carpark, just along from where Eddie was jumping.

The fans are filmed stationary, however, were the fans switched off before the cars were parked up?

Because if the fans were on and drawing air from the direction of the parked Renault & blowing it out t'other side.... that might go some way to explaining why the scent has drifted.

It was drawn towards the fan, perhaps.

Good point. Will have to check that out  8((()*/
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #421 on: July 28, 2014, 01:16:11 PM »
No they didn't.

Eddie was invited to react to the ignition key a second time apart from the car and inside a sandbox.

The key was sent to the FSS and Gerry's dna was extracted.

Keela is the blood dog and the key was positive. They did a second test with Eddie and buried it in sand for cadaver.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #422 on: July 28, 2014, 01:17:53 PM »
Good point. Will have to check that out  8((()*/

My pleasure.

You will notice where he is jumping up sniffing the air, the fan is visible on the wall in the background, not too far away.

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ferryman

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #423 on: July 28, 2014, 01:18:30 PM »
Keela is the blood dog and the key was positive. They did a second test with Eddie and buried it in sand for cadaver.

Either terminally obtuse or on a wind-up ...

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #424 on: July 28, 2014, 08:00:30 PM »
They buried the blood key under sand at a far distance and performed a new test with Eddie for cadaver.

Dog inspection report of cars searched in subterranean garage

Canine Inspection Report

Date 6 and 7 August 2007

Place Underground parking area of 1st of May Square, Portimao.
Participants: three PJ officers; two UK police experts; Eddy and Keela, the English Springer
[Spaniels]

THE ENTIRE WORK WAS RECORDED IN IMAGE AND SOUND [on video]

On 6 August 2007, at 15h17, a canine inspection was performed in the following motor cars, this
being done on level -4 of the above-mentioned underground car park:
[list of cars: Opel Corsa; Fiat Punto; Peugeot 205; Renault Scenic; Skodia Fabia; VW Transporter;
Nissan Patrol; VW Passat; Audi A4; Renault Kangoo.]

Thus, at the hour indicated the work began, with the dog Eddy, that detects cadaver odour,
examining the whole level of the underground car park where the vehicles were parked, it having
been verified the following result:

15h27 - the dog 'marked' car number 4 - Renault Scenic - rental vehicle currently used by Gerry
Thus, the Renault Scenic vehicle was moved to parking level -3 and subjected to an expert
examination by officers from the Police Science Laboratory and another canine inspection that
began at 03h49 on 7 August 2007 by the dog Keela, that detects traces of human blood, it having been verified the following result:

03h53 - the dog 'marked' an area of the lower right-hand side of the interior part of the baggage
compartment of the car;

04h11 - the dog 'marked' the 'tidy' compartment [map/glove pocket] on the side of the driver's door, which was found to contain the car key, the plastic electronic card type, with a key-ring of the Budget rental company.
In order to confirm that the dog had effectively 'marked' the car key, that was found in the map/glove pocket on the side of the driver's door, at 04h13, that key was retrieved from the car
and concealed in a place far distant from the vehicle on parking level -3 of the underground car
park.

At 04h14, it was verified that the dog 'marked' the area of a sandbox [bucket of sand] of the Fire
System where the car key had been concealed beneath the sand.

At 04h50, a new inspection was performed by Eddy on the parking level -4 where the above car
key was concealed in an area far distant from the vehicle.

At 04h51, it was verified that the dog 'marked' the area of a sandbox [bucket of sand] of the Fire
System where the car key had been concealed beneath the sand.


the present document has been duly signed:


Both dogs marked the same place for key fob. Then again they would wouldn't they, follow the scent of the other one.[/list]
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #425 on: July 28, 2014, 08:13:00 PM »
For all of the hundreds of pages on the dogs...SY say Maddie may still be alive...what does that mean for the alerts

ferryman

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #426 on: July 28, 2014, 08:17:20 PM »
For all of the hundreds of pages on the dogs...SY say Maddie may still be alive...what does that mean for the alerts

SY place no store in the alerts ...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #427 on: July 28, 2014, 08:18:55 PM »
SY place no store in the alerts ...

and they should know

Offline Jackie Sparrow

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #428 on: July 28, 2014, 08:24:34 PM »
This helps to explain Eddie's behaviour in the underground car park - the scent could be strongest away from the actual source. You could then encourage the dog back to the closer spot i.e. Grime bringing Eddie back to the car or Eddie jumping in the river because the scent was strongest there.



See the dog is trained good. People who say the dog not good is because of fear.just know the dog is good then ask why the dog barks? The dog barks because of death. Who is hiding death? Not from the dog even because dog is so good. Some people hide like ostrich.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #429 on: July 28, 2014, 08:24:50 PM »
Dog inspection report of cars searched in subterranean garage

Canine Inspection Report

Date 6 and 7 August 2007

Place Underground parking area of 1st of May Square, Portimao.
Participants: three PJ officers; two UK police experts; Eddy and Keela, the English Springer
[Spaniels]

THE ENTIRE WORK WAS RECORDED IN IMAGE AND SOUND [on video]

On 6 August 2007, at 15h17, a canine inspection was performed in the following motor cars, this
being done on level -4 of the above-mentioned underground car park:
[list of cars: Opel Corsa; Fiat Punto; Peugeot 205; Renault Scenic; Skodia Fabia; VW Transporter;
Nissan Patrol; VW Passat; Audi A4; Renault Kangoo.]

Thus, at the hour indicated the work began, with the dog Eddy, that detects cadaver odour,
examining the whole level of the underground car park where the vehicles were parked, it having
been verified the following result:

15h27 - the dog 'marked' car number 4 - Renault Scenic - rental vehicle currently used by Gerry
Thus, the Renault Scenic vehicle was moved to parking level -3 and subjected to an expert
examination by officers from the Police Science Laboratory and another canine inspection that
began at 03h49 on 7 August 2007 by the dog Keela, that detects traces of human blood, it having been verified the following result:

03h53 - the dog 'marked' an area of the lower right-hand side of the interior part of the baggage
compartment of the car;

04h11 - the dog 'marked' the 'tidy' compartment [map/glove pocket] on the side of the driver's door, which was found to contain the car key, the plastic electronic card type, with a key-ring of the Budget rental company.
In order to confirm that the dog had effectively 'marked' the car key, that was found in the map/glove pocket on the side of the driver's door, at 04h13, that key was retrieved from the car
and concealed in a place far distant from the vehicle on parking level -3 of the underground car
park.

At 04h14, it was verified that the dog 'marked' the area of a sandbox [bucket of sand] of the Fire
System where the car key had been concealed beneath the sand.

At 04h50, a new inspection was performed by Eddy on the parking level -4 where the above car
key was concealed in an area far distant from the vehicle.

At 04h51, it was verified that the dog 'marked' the area of a sandbox [bucket of sand] of the Fire
System where the car key had been concealed beneath the sand.


the present document has been duly signed:


Both dogs marked the same place for key fob. Then again they would wouldn't they, follow the scent of the other one.[/list]

Keela has to get in real close to alert to blood. You can see that in the footage of Keela inside the car. Eddie was chasing a strong scent a long distance away from the car. IMO he was chasing cadaver scent.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #430 on: July 28, 2014, 08:25:50 PM »
Keela has to get in real close to alert to blood. You can see that in the footage of Keela inside the car. Eddie was chasing a strong scent a long distance away from the car. IMO he was chasing cadaver scent.

so what..SY say Maddie may still be alive

ferryman

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #431 on: July 28, 2014, 08:30:48 PM »
Keela has to get in real close to alert to blood. You can see that in the footage of Keela inside the car. Eddie was chasing a strong scent a long distance away from the car. IMO he was chasing cadaver scent.

What?

Eddie was interested in anything and everything except the Renault Scenic.

He needed to be "corrected" and "focused" by his handler before he finally concentrated on the Renault.

And what he (finally) found to focus on (fortuitously for Grime) was spots of Gerry's blood ...

stephen25000

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #432 on: July 28, 2014, 08:32:44 PM »
Dogs are used around the world.

Why ?

because they do the job their trained for.

SY used them in Portugal.

So when don't they work ?

the mccanns.....

and gerry boy says they're no good, and you got to believe him, cus he knows everthing. 8)--))

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #433 on: July 28, 2014, 08:38:49 PM »
Dogs are used around the world.

Why ?

because they do the job their trained for.

SY used them in Portugal.

So when don't they work ?

the mccanns.....

and gerry boy says they're no good, and you got to believe him, cus he knows everthing. 8)--))

Dogs are used round the world to narrow search areas.  If in a forensic context to locate material for forensic examination.

Could you just remind me what was actually found, Stephen?


Offline Jackie Sparrow

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #434 on: July 28, 2014, 08:46:30 PM »
Dogs are used around the world.

Why ?

because they do the job their trained for.

SY used them in Portugal.

So when don't they work ?

the mccanns.....

and gerry boy says they're no good, and you got to believe him, cus he knows everthing. 8)--))

No the dog is good. Gerry is not good so he fears a good trained dog. People who believe Gerry like ostrich. In sand