Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

[jassi]

But its always been a possibility, just not discussed.  Have they admitted that an accident in the apt is a possibility and a  cover up by the parents...no...not even a possibility

Who knows what might come out next week, next month ?

[ferryman]

As soon as Eddie entered 5a his demeanour changed significantly according to his handler.

According to Eddie's handler, Grime had no prior clue which car was the McCanns' car, despite the stickers in the back.

As to entering apartment 5a, Eddie sat patiently and waited for Grime to take off his lead.

[Estuarine]

Why should I bother with 15 pages when Grime has explained everything already

You may then be better informed. Notice I didn't say wiser.
You might then be able to do better for a cite, when challenged by another poster, than "I read it somewhere; in a book I fink" paraphrased as usual.
Of course you don't have to bother. There are others on this forum; or is your arrogance so supreme you believe every post is aimed at you?

[Mr Gray]

You may then be better informed. Notice I didn't say wiser.
You might then be able to do better for a cite, when challenged by another poster, than "I read it somewhere; in a book I fink" paraphrased as usual.
Of course you don't have to bother. There are others on this forum; or is your arrogance so supreme you believe every post is aimed at you?

As I have said before I have learnt all I need to know about the dogs from what Grime has said.....everything I say is referenced to what Grime has said. There really is very little to learn re the dogs,,its quite basic

[Carew]

Not in the slightest,,,that was accepted as a possibility in 2007...that's why the dogs were brought in...what other reason could there have been to have a cadaver dog search the appt

but weren`t the "inconclusive" forensics  publicly put forward as "no evidence " .........with no mention of the possibility of a death officially made until recently.

[Mr Gray]

but weren`t the "inconclusive" forensics  publicly put forward as "no evidence " .........with no mention of the possibility of a death officially made until recently.

The possibility of a death has been made by SY for some time

[ferryman]

but weren`t the "inconclusive" forensics  publicly put forward as "no evidence " .........with no mention of the possibility of a death officially made until recently.

Certain elements within the PJ decided, before an English dog had set paw on Portuguese soil, that Madeleine was dead, and the purpose of bringing in the dogs (in the minds of the PJ hierarchy) was to confirm what was supposedly "known".

Read Harrison's terms of reference if you don't believe me.

[Carew]

The possibility of a death has been made by SY for some time

Not a possible death in the apartment, though.........Not quite the same as the " or sadly dead" we heard earlier from SY.

[ferryman]

Harrison's terms of reference:

Terms of reference to provide assistance to the Portuguese Judicial Police.

1. Assist the Judicial Police and GNR in assessing new or previous areas searched and give opinion on the best methods and assets to provide assurance as to the absence or presence of M McCann's concealed remains.
2. Act as a "critical friend" to the officer in charge of search planning and management and offer immediate and enduring peer review until case resolution or search suspension.
3. Assist in the development of framework models such as scenario based searching to aid homicide disposal searching.
4. Consider further opportunities or areas for search in order to locate M McCann (locate, rather than find) as applicable to the latest intelligence and informtion provided.
5. Where appropriate, provide independent and impartial advice on the enabling and disabling factors of specialist resources available either within Portugal or elsewhere in body detection.
6. To assist in decision support where requested by testing and challenging claims made by persons offering unorthodox search methods or devices to aid locating M McCann.
7. Where appropriate and requested, assist in advising on procedures to procure any non Portuguese specialist assets that are deemed to be relevant and useful.


So did Harrison write his own terms of reference?

[ferryman]

In fact, they didn't merely decide that Madeleine was definitely dead.

They decided that she had been murdered

[jassi]

In fact, they didn't merely decide that Madeleine was definitely dead.

They decided that she had been murdered

I notice that the word used in the terms of reference is homicide. There are various classifications of homicide, only one of which is murder. Criminal homicides also include voluntary and involuntary manslaughter.

[ferryman]

I notice that the word used in the terms of reference is homicide. There are various classifications of homicide, only one of which is murder. Criminal homicides also include voluntary and involuntary manslaughter.

This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.

Mark Harrison

[gilet]

Not really, Gilet............Had you taken the trouble to read my post to you ( 215),  before I typed this one............you would have seen that I said "may have.....etc"

What is sad is that you would leap on an accidentally missed word to deflect and waffle even more.

(Now that is sad!)

Let me put it this way...........What do you think stopped SY saying that Madeleine MAY not have been alive when she left the apartment before the recent revelation by Redwood?

How ridiculous! You expect me to know when commenting on a post that you have forgotten to put in a word which makes the sense very different.

Nothing stopped them. Nothing at all. It has always been a possibility. It was considered by the PJ if you had not noticed back in 2007.

[gilet]

Can't say I bothered about what evidence they may have used.
As far as I'm concerned, the important thing is that they have publicly declared  that Madeleine may no longer be  alive and that she may have died in the apartment.
That is a big step forward in the investigation.

From the very first comments of Redwood about the case it has been stated that Madeleine may be alive and may not be alive. You are clutching at very faint ghosts of straws with this line. There has always been the possibility that she died in the apartment right back to May 2007. That has nothing to do with the dogs. It is entirely to do with logic.
That you think this is a step forward is quite amusing.

[jassi]

This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.

Mark Harrison

That is not what you quoted in post 260