Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

[Mr Gray]

Not at all. Your answer will tell me whether or not you know what you are on about.

If you don't realise by now that I know what I'm on about then you don't know what you're on about

[Brietta]

So that will be a don't know then.

No it is quite clear ... sniffer dogs are trained to detect a variety of items from drug contraband to usb memory sticks.

The sniffer dogs used to look for humans are Victim Recovery Dogs as for example ...

Madeleine McCann: Sniffer dogs used in April Jones case enlisted in search

**Snip
Sniffer dogs, which helped in the April Jones murder inquiry, spent the day scouring the four-acre wasteland overlooking the Atlantic.

Tito and Muzzy, two specialist cadaver dogs from South Wales Police, worked with handlers Sally Richards and David Brake combing the area around the iron sheet.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/480081/Madeleine-McCann-Sniffer-dogs-used-in-April-Jones-case-enlisted-in-search

In the American case the dogs were unreliable because they overlooked the complete remains of an adult body ... so to get back to your comment ... why don't you consider putting such puerile comments on the back burner in favour of something constructive.

[G-Unit]

No it is quite clear ... sniffer dogs are trained to detect a variety of items from drug contraband to usb memory sticks.

The sniffer dogs used to look for humans are Victim Recovery Dogs as for example ...

Madeleine McCann: Sniffer dogs used in April Jones case enlisted in search

**Snip
Sniffer dogs, which helped in the April Jones murder inquiry, spent the day scouring the four-acre wasteland overlooking the Atlantic.

Tito and Muzzy, two specialist cadaver dogs from South Wales Police, worked with handlers Sally Richards and David Brake combing the area around the iron sheet.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/480081/Madeleine-McCann-Sniffer-dogs-used-in-April-Jones-case-enlisted-in-search

In the American case the dogs were unreliable because they overlooked the complete remains of an adult body ... so to get back to your comment ... why don't you consider putting such puerile comments on the back burner in favour of something constructive.

In the American case they were initially looking for someone alive and possibly ill or injured. That's why they used tracker dogs and helicopters with heat seeking cameras in the surrounding desert. It's quite possible they used SAR dogs in the house also, as it was so cluttered. The lady could indeed have been alive when she first had her accident. Nowhere does it say they used cadaver dogs; that's an assumption.

[Alice Purjorick]

If you don't realise by now that I know what I'm on about then you don't know what you're on about

I am not the one using incorrect terminology.

[Mr Gray]

I am not the one using incorrect terminology.

who cares what you think

[pegasus]

Very interesting Brietta thankyou. The houses should have been partly emptied to allow proper access for the dogs.
Yet another case where police humans did not ensure every space in the residence was searched
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307228/Husband-hoarder-discovers-body-piles-rubbish-messy-house-shared--months-went-missing.html

[ferryman]

I'm not desperately trying to find anything actually, I class as desperate the posts of those trying to discredit Grime and his dogs. I have read Grime's statements and he clearly had great faith in his dogs. Until his dogs are proved wrong I'm happy to give them the benefit of the doubt. As I have said repeatedly Eddie may have been wrong BUT he also may have been right. There is no evidence either way, so it's 50/50.

No one needs to try to discredit Grime and his dogs.  You just need to carefully read the case files (as I have done) to see that he does that all on his own, then you need to highlight the examples which underscore and emphasise the point, which I have also done.

Ally that to the hyperbole of some of his statements and the point is irrefutable.

[mercury]

to put it simply...just because a given situation has two possibilities...neither of which can be proved... then it does not mean each possibility has an equal probability

Bit like flip of a coin then
The British police may as well ask Dynamo the Magician to go inspect crime scenes I guess..but in their superior judgement they chose cadaver dogs, so do not fret, it's all in hand by "those that matter"

[pegasus]

No one needs to try to discredit Grime and his dogs.  You just need to carefully read the case files (as I have done) to see that he does that all on his own, then you need to highlight the examples which underscore and emphasise the point, which I have also done.

Ally that to the hyperbole of some of his statements and the point is irrefutable.

If we take the two Eddie alerts inside the apartment as primary can you see that they are compatible with a scenario in which both parents and group are completely uninvolved. These two alerts could be the direct result of actions of a stranger intruder in the apartment. Why not investigate these alerts in that light? Obviously given that one of the alerts was at a shelf where a pile of clothes was stored during that meal, it would directly explain the clothing alerts too. That leaves only the vehicle alert which would be secondary transfer from those clothes. 

[ferryman]

If we take the two Eddie alerts inside the apartment as primary can you see that they are compatible with a scenario in which both parents and group are completely uninvolved. These two alerts could be the direct result of actions of a stranger intruder in the apartment. Why not investigate these alerts in that light? Obviously given that one of the alerts was at a shelf where a pile of clothes was stored during that meal, it would directly explain the clothing alerts too. That leaves only the vehicle alert which would be secondary transfer from those clothes.

There are two difficulties of tying what you suggest in with Eddie's alert.

The first is that if an intruder killed Madeleine in the apartment and took her body, there would be no time for accumulation of a death scent inside the apartment.

And the second is that if an intruder killed Madeleine inside the apartment and left her body there, who found her body? ....

I honestly don't see either being right.

[G-Unit]

No one needs to try to discredit Grime and his dogs.  You just need to carefully read the case files (as I have done) to see that he does that all on his own, then you need to highlight the examples which underscore and emphasise the point, which I have also done.

Ally that to the hyperbole of some of his statements and the point is irrefutable.

Only in your opinion. When did your opinion become the only opinion?

[mercury]

Only in your opinion. When did your opinion become the only opinion?

Wrong opinions are ok, they're just opinions, the bad news is when the opinionator tries to pass them off as facts and some might believe them...
Now that is bad news

[ferryman]

Only in your opinion. When did your opinion become the only opinion?

At the point the files were released.

[G-Unit]

At the point the files were released.

Your opinion is one among many. You are convinced you're right but that means nothing to those who disagree with you.

[ferryman]

Your opinion is one among many. You are convinced you're right but that means nothing to those who disagree with you.

What's your explanation of why Grime was handed the video of the vehicle inspection for personal, promotional, use elsehwhere; and for the fact that was the one, and only, inspection he wore the anti-cross contamination suit of his trade?