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Offline mercury

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1635 on: October 04, 2015, 09:18:22 PM »
Has anyone bothered to count how many times Eddie woofed at HdlG & how many bodies/remains were found?

The discussion was about the coconut myth...however seeing as you bypassed that...there were skeletal remains found, Bones and teeth

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1636 on: October 04, 2015, 09:21:40 PM »
The discussion was about the coconut myth...however seeing as you bypassed that...there were skeletal remains found, Bones and teeth

The bones were animal and the teeth milk teeth which fall out naturally

Offline mercury

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1637 on: October 04, 2015, 09:23:00 PM »
For which Grime received the princely sum of £93000 & the UK taxpayer was stung for £20m. Oh, & like Amaral, Harper was set up to be the fall guy for the failed investigation under his tenure.
I do hope "they" don't do the same thing to ex DCI Redwood.

What a horrible post

The taxpayer paid for an institutional child abuse inquiry...if you think that is being stung over but being stung for 50 million in one of Osbornes little financial playgrounds is ok then I feel sorry for you

Martin Grime was remunerated for the time he was kept there, by invitation, and which was financially  a tiny fraction but a potentially massive insight into the inquiry, get your priorities straight!

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Offline mercury

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1638 on: October 04, 2015, 09:27:21 PM »
The bones were animal and the teeth milk teeth which fall out naturally

Cites?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1639 on: October 04, 2015, 09:30:35 PM »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1640 on: October 04, 2015, 09:33:58 PM »
Nope, try again, and that was a pretty dismal and useless response especially when the media have been implicated here, do try at least to keep up dear

so what was found and your cites,,,,,


Offline misty

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1641 on: October 04, 2015, 09:34:39 PM »
What a horrible post

The taxpayer paid for an institutional child abuse inquiry...if you think that is being stung over but being stung for 50 million in one of Osbornes little financial playgrounds is ok then I feel sorry for you

Martin Grime was remunerated for the time he was kept there, by invitation, and which was financially  a tiny fraction but a potentially massive insight into the inquiry, get your priorities straight!

Eddie wasn't licenced by the UK police force so Harper was out of order straight away.
Grime was no longer a serving police officer or fully trained in CSI so Harper was out of order.
The serving police officer was employed as a chauffeur.
Wonder how much the inquiry cost on top of the £20m?

Offline mercury

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1642 on: October 04, 2015, 09:35:23 PM »
so what was found and your cites,,,,,

You can't shirk your respnsiblities and  run away dear, do learn the basics at least

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1643 on: October 04, 2015, 09:36:12 PM »
read the newspapers

Human bones were found.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1644 on: October 04, 2015, 09:36:45 PM »
You can't shirk your respnsiblities and  run away dear, do learn the basics at least

what was found and your cites

Offline mercury

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1645 on: October 04, 2015, 09:37:52 PM »
Eddie wasn't licenced by the UK police force so Harper was out of order straight away.
Grime was no longer a serving police officer or fully trained in CSI so Harper was out of order.
The serving police officer was employed as a chauffeur.
Wonder how much the inquiry cost on top of the £20m?

Youre still ignoring the facts under discussion, why is that?
As for the dogs not being licensed, on a technical basis, doesn't really mean that much practically if anythng at all

ferryman

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Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1646 on: October 04, 2015, 09:38:05 PM »
Yes

And for your delectation davel


Discussion of the non coconut begins at 6 minutes or thereabouts, in fact the whole interview is interesting

You still going to call Lenny Harper a liar or that he is making things up?

I'm still looking for the actual account of the work done by the technician from the Oxford Laboratory.

But in the meanwhile, this is from paragraph 2.8 of the Operation Havern report

The media needed little encouragement to paint a graphic and horrific picture of
institutionalised abuse of vulnerable children on the Island. We are clear from the
evidence that such reporting was condoned and even encouraged in a number of
the States of Jersey Police press releases which variously described the ‘partial
remains of a child’, ‘skull’, ‘shackles’, ‘bath’, ‘cellars’ and ‘blood’, none of which
transpired to be accurate.

Offline mercury

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1647 on: October 04, 2015, 09:40:09 PM »
what was found and your cites

Nope, you asserted animal bones were found rather than human bones, your cite is missing...newspaper reports hardly ever cut it, as I said, you can't run away

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1648 on: October 04, 2015, 09:43:58 PM »
Nope, you asserted animal bones were found rather than human bones, your cite is missing...newspaper reports hardly ever cut it, as I said, you can't run away

it seems harper was a liar.......But on May 17 last year, when he was contacted by The Mail on Sunday about the 'skull' actually being coconut, he said the real story was that newly dug-up fragments 'have been positively identified as being very young children's bones', buried as recently as the Eighties.

He added: 'The anthropologists are saying we have dead children there, not a dead child.' There were also teeth, and 'experts are saying that these teeth could not possibly have come out naturally before death because there is so much of the root attached to them'.

The claims were false. On May 2, Harper had also emailed three senior Jersey officials saying he now had proof that a second child had been buried at Haut de la Garenne: 'The bone fragments are from the skull of a child... The expert's initial findings are that the child died fairly recently - confirmation will mean that a homicide inquiry will have to [be] launched.


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Offline mercury

Re: Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?
« Reply #1649 on: October 04, 2015, 09:47:01 PM »
Don't be so naive and gullible Davel, the mail is out of the question here for reasons given before, ...try again luv for a real cite, before you are 100 per cent confident Harper is a liar (alledged facts being convenient for you don't count)