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Offline Albertini

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #360 on: June 11, 2014, 10:25:48 AM »
No they weren't.  The McCanns did agree to a date on which to return.

Mitchell said their lawyers would block it.

Are you stating that Clarence Mitchell lied and is therefore a liar.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #361 on: June 11, 2014, 10:26:49 AM »
What part of:

"If they returned now to Portugal it would be a distraction and would put pressure on police.Their lawyers would block it anyway.But once their arguido status has been lifted, they will feel differently."

Don't you understand?
. Where does it mention blocking them from taking part in a reconstruction (which they were legally obliged to take part in?)

Offline Albertini

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #362 on: June 11, 2014, 10:29:33 AM »
. Where does it mention blocking them from taking part in a reconstruction (which they were legally obliged to take part in?)

It is an article dated 6th April at the point of discussions between the PJ and the witnesses were formally starting.

Mitchell refers to "returning to Portugal" the only thing they had to return to Portugal for was the reconstruction.

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Offline Albertini

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #363 on: June 11, 2014, 10:36:40 AM »
What are you talking about?  The McCann Lawyers never blocked their return.  They were never called upon to do so.

If I believe that Clarence Mitchell actually said that, then he only said that the lawyers would, not that they had.

So are you saying the mcCann's weren't asked to return for the reconstruction. if so you are wrong.

Are you doubting the directly attributable words of Mitchell in the Daily Mirror article i posted?

I have explained the lawyers actions, with Mitchell's words and the ultimate outcome of the reconstruction which actually fitted in with what Mitchell said, that they would not be returning.
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Offline Albertini

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #364 on: June 11, 2014, 10:39:25 AM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm
It's always worth reading all this again for a laugh.

It is embarrassing and, worse, hugely detrimental to the investigation into their friend's missing child.

As Ferryman has very kindly pointed out if they had taken part the PJ could have discovered the same window of opportunity for abduction SY appear to have found 7 years later.

If they had taken part and if that window was there then the suspicion about them would have ended forever and the PJ could have got on with the business of finding the perp and more importantly that poor child.

They should all (the Tapas lot) hang their heads in shame.

Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #365 on: June 11, 2014, 10:45:27 AM »
It is embarrassing and, worse, hugely detrimental to the investigation into their friend's missing child.

As Ferryman has very kindly pointed out if they had taken part the PJ could have discovered the same window of opportunity for abduction SY appear to have found 7 years later.

If they had taken part and if that window was there then the suspicion about them would have ended forever and the PJ could have got on with the business of finding the perp and more importantly that poor child.

They should all (the Tapas lot) hang their heads in shame.

Yeah, well we all sort of  thought it was, erm, the best thing to do, you know? It didn't right that they were trying to check on our, erm, you know, movements that night.   @)(++(*
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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #366 on: June 11, 2014, 10:46:06 AM »
Mitchell states the lawyers would block their return. Their arguido status meant they had to return.

What then was the only way for the lawyers to block it in line with Mitchell's words?
Perhaps you could explain why there is a letter from the McCanns' lawyer in the files requesting for the reconstruction date to be changed as Gerry was unable to attend on the first date proposed?

Offline Eleanor

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #367 on: June 11, 2014, 10:47:54 AM »
So are you saying the mcCann's weren't asked to return for the reconstruction. if so you are wrong.

Are you doubting the directly attributable words of Mitchell in the Daily Mirror article i posted?

I have explained the lawyers actions, with Mitchell's words and the ultimate outcome of the reconstruction which actually fitted in with what Mitchell said, that they would not be returning.

Jezuz.  The McCanns were offered two dates on which to return for the reconstitution.  They agreed to one of those dates.  They were asked, and they did agree.

I am doubting the context in which Clarence Mitchell's quote was made, if in fact he made it in the context of returning for the reconstitution.

An extradition warrant can only be applied for if there is evidence of some kind that the people against whom the warrant is issued are in some way culpable, and will be charged.  This has never been the case with The McCanns.

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Offline Albertini

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #368 on: June 11, 2014, 10:50:44 AM »
Perhaps you could explain why there is a letter from the McCanns' lawyer in the files requesting for the reconstruction date to be changed as Gerry was unable to attend on the first date proposed?

Are you familiar with the expression "going through the motions".

If i were you i'd stop picking because the only two options are that the lawyers blocked their return or their friends callously and of their own free will and volition took it upon themselves to kill off the reconstruction which would have uncovered the same forensic time line window of opportunity that SY tell us they found, some 7 years ago. This would have allowed the PJ to follow the same lines as SY say they are now following.

Either the lawyers are the s***s in this or their friends are.

Blaming the lawyers is the least bad option.
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Offline Albertini

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #369 on: June 11, 2014, 10:58:42 AM »
Jezuz.  The McCanns were offered two dates on which to return for the reconstitution.  They agreed to one of those dates.  They were asked, and they did agree.

I am doubting the context in which Clarence Mitchell's quote was made, if in fact he made it in the context of returning for the reconstitution.

An extradition warrant can only be applied for if there is evidence of some kind that the people against whom the warrant is issued are in some way culpable, and will be charged.  This has never been the case with The McCanns.

All the bullshite and twisting will not alter this.

What context do you believe Mitchell was talking about then? He  gave that quote some two weeks before the official email requests came through to participate, and in relation to a review of the case.

Do you think he was referring to a "return to Portugal" for some more group tennis and jogging?

It's blatantly obvious what he was referring to, because at that point that he gave the quote the reconstruction was the only issue in town after the Rogatories.

Now you can be a flat earther if you wish but that won't wash with people who have open minds and brains who won't take someone's squirming and feeble attempts at justification of the unjustifiable at face value.

In regards to extradition clearly it was a real threat to the McCann's given the legal team they assembled. They should have spoken to you, you could have cleared it up without the need for paying for Pinochet's extradition lawyer. You could have saved the Find Madeline fund a substantial amount of money. 

Offline Carana

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #370 on: June 11, 2014, 11:10:23 AM »
Clarence Mitchell publicly stated that their lawyers would block it.

So you're quoting the Mirror, quoting the Sunday People.... Yeah...

Where in this statement does CM say that lawyers would block them returning for a reconstruction? What's the context of this quote? Answering a question from a hack as to whether they intended to return to PdL at some point to visit the place / friends or for a reconstruction?

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "If they returned now to Portugal it would be a distraction and would put pressure on police.

Their lawyers would block it anyway.

"But once their arguido status has been lifted, they will feel differently.

"They have discussed the possibility of returning but nothing has yet been agreed."


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Offline Eleanor

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #371 on: June 11, 2014, 11:12:22 AM »
What context do you believe Mitchell was talking about then? He  gave that quote some two weeks before the official email requests came through to participate, and in relation to a review of the case.

Do you think he was referring to a "return to Portugal" for some more group tennis and jogging?

It's blatantly obvious what he was referring to, because at that point that he gave the quote the reconstruction was the only issue in town after the Rogatories.

Now you can be a flat earther if you wish but that won't wash with people who have open minds and brains who won't take someone's squirming and feeble attempts at justification of the unjustifiable at face value.

In regards to extradition clearly it was a real threat to the McCann's given the legal team they assembled. They should have spoken to you, you could have cleared it up without the need for paying for Pinochet's extradition lawyer. You could have saved the Find Madeline fund a substantial amount of money.

Yep, there might have been a threat of Extradition, if Amaral's Thesis had ever been given house room.  But it never was, because there was never any evidence.

This in the light of the fact that a British man who was cleared of Murder by a Portuguese Court of a man who was still alive, was then issued with an Extradition Warrant some several years later.

What would you do?  Consult a Lawyer or just go back?
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Offline Carana

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #372 on: June 11, 2014, 11:14:07 AM »
. Where does it mention blocking them from taking part in a reconstruction (which they were legally obliged to take part in?)


Reading up... Yes, my question is the same.

Offline Carana

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #373 on: June 11, 2014, 11:25:56 AM »
What part of:

"If they returned now to Portugal it would be a distraction and would put pressure on police.Their lawyers would block it anyway.But once their arguido status has been lifted, they will feel differently."

Don't you understand?

Where is he quoted as saying that they wouldn't return for a reconstruction because the lawyers would block it?

And you're quoting the Mirror quoting the Sunday People... less known for serious journalism than copying and pasting the equivalent of soundbites, whatever the context.

Offline Benice

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #374 on: June 11, 2014, 11:51:31 AM »
If this is the case then how have SY managed it WITHOUT the members of the group? It is fairly logical to suggest that as a collective there would be a greater chance of getting to the bottom of any inconsistencies. Do you not agree or do you prefer SY's method?

Because of this statement from DCI Redwood:

''We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.''
Unquote.

How could an accurate physical recon. take place if people could only give approximate times of their movements?

I ask again.

How would Jez Wilkins know what time to set out - if didn't know the exact time to begin with,   What if he guessed the wrong time and because he was a couple of minutes out - he missed Gerry altogether?   How would the PJ advise him to proceed if he pointed this out to them? 

The same applies to other witnesses who no doubt would be asking the same question about which part of their approximate times they gave in their statements they should use.  What would the PJ say to them?



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