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Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #75 on: March 26, 2014, 08:34:54 AM »
No it wouldn't - a reconstruction would only prove that no one saw Madeleine being taken from the apartment, which we already know

It is usual for the investigating police force to determine what is and what is not relevant, not witnesses and interested parties.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Albertini

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2014, 08:35:12 AM »
And to what end would verifying the timelines be in finding out who took Madeleine when no one at the time saw her being taken away? The high profile press campaign and the investigations that took place at the time and continue to do so are following up on leads that were there irrespective of any reconstruction, probably because it's a young child involved and people want to help.

In the past I have read my posts on the internet by people who use the reconstruction to provide circumstantial “evidence” that the McCanns and their friends had a hand in this. Purely due to the fact that at the time no reconstruction took place, therefore: guilty.

However these are the same people who say Mr McCann’s body language and Mrs McCann’s lack of apparent emotion while on camera are also signs of their involvement, therefore: guilty.

And so it goes round on its merry way. In hindsight with cold cases reconstructions can be a powerful tool for creating new leads however at the time it is clear that a reconstruction would only confirm what we already know, that Madeleine was taken by someone who knew exactly what they were doing and must have known the area well to evade being seen and considered suspicious.

You have fallen into the McCann created trap of attempting to metamorphisize  this official process of a Portuguese investigation into a crimewatch style reconstruction.

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2014, 08:38:02 AM »
Apparently not John  ...  well, not according to Kate McCann in her book anyway   :

"At that point the tone of the corresponence grew more brusque and what had seemed a request began to sound more like a summons.  Some people decided they wanted to take legal advice before agreeing to anything.  In the end there was no quorum and the plan was abandoned"

So,  as far as Kate tells it,  a  'summons'  to attend was out of the question,  and  in the end whether they attended or not was a matter of  a   quorum'  being reached amongst themselves

She makes it sound like they took a vote on it


I wonder which of the friends were ready and willing to go back,  without question   ...  do we know  ?


Wouldn't you think they would be prepared to endure just about anything if it would help get Madeleine back?   Apparently not!
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline The Singularity

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2014, 08:39:26 AM »

The sheer arrogance of it alone is simply breathtaking.

It's not arrogance, it frustration, desperation and lack of confidence in the people who have been given responsibility to find their missing daughter. Faced with that, their patience naturally was tested when all it seemed to them was to be constantly under scrutiny and being wildly accused of something they clearly didn’t have any involvement with. Then when the PJ started unofficially talking to the press, well that just killed off any confidence either of Madeleine’s parents had in the investigation. That must have been a horrible day for both of them to realise this.

The reconstruction at that time would have provided very little on what was already recorded at the time by the PJ, it certainly wouldn’t have incriminated the McCanns as some people obsess over and tout around the internet as evidence of guilt.   
 

Offline The Singularity

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2014, 08:48:50 AM »

Wouldn't you think they would be prepared to endure just about anything if it would help get Madeleine back?   Apparently not!

Not really no. When it became apparent to them that the investigation was going nowhere then what motivation would they have? The people looking for Madeleine were not in fact, they had become too preoccupied with trying to blame the McCanns even when to the casual observer this was wasting precious time in finding Madeleine.

If one empathises with them its far easy to understand their frustrations at realising Madeleine didn't stand a chance to be found at that time, Snr Amaral had written her off as dead when there was no evidence to support his theory. This lack of critical thinking by Snr Amaral has become his stock and trade now though. Considered in this context it’s not all hard to understand why lack of enthusiasm for many things became evident.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2014, 08:50:58 AM »
Not really no. When it became apparent to them that the investigation was going nowhere then what motivation would they have? The people looking for Madeleine were not in fact, they had become too preoccupied with trying to blame the McCanns even when to the casual observer this was wasting precious time in finding Madeleine.

If one empathises with them its far easy to understand their frustrations at realising Madeleine didn't stand a chance to be found at that time, Snr Amaral had written her off as dead when there was no evidence to support his theory. This lack of critical thinking by Snr Amaral has become his stock and trade now though. Considered in this context it’s not all hard to understand why lack of enthusiasm for many things became evident.

Snr Amaral had written her off as dead.

Has he been proven wrong?
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Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2014, 08:52:14 AM »
Not really no. When it became apparent to them that the investigation was going nowhere then what motivation would they have? The people looking for Madeleine were not in fact, they had become too preoccupied with trying to blame the McCanns even when to the casual observer this was wasting precious time in finding Madeleine.

If one empathises with them its far easy to understand their frustrations at realising Madeleine didn't stand a chance to be found at that time, Snr Amaral had written her off as dead when there was no evidence to support his theory. This lack of critical thinking by Snr Amaral has become his stock and trade now though. Considered in this context it’s not all hard to understand why lack of enthusiasm for many things became evident.


It was not for them to decide how police investigations should be conducted.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #82 on: March 26, 2014, 08:54:45 AM »
It's not arrogance, it frustration, desperation and lack of confidence in the people who have been given responsibility to find their missing daughter. Faced with that, their patience naturally was tested when all it seemed to them was to be constantly under scrutiny and being wildly accused of something they clearly didn’t have any involvement with. Then when the PJ started unofficially talking to the press, well that just killed off any confidence either of Madeleine’s parents had in the investigation. That must have been a horrible day for both of them to realise this.

The reconstruction at that time would have provided very little on what was already recorded at the time by the PJ, it certainly wouldn’t have incriminated the McCanns as some people obsess over and tout around the internet as evidence of guilt.

Utter claptrap.

It is the mccanns through their clear failure to take proper care of their children by leaving them vulnerable to a variety of dangers whilst they wined and dined night after night.

Make no mistake as to where the blame lies for Madeleine's disappearance.

No abduction has been established as fact, at best it is a theory or if you prefer thesis, and as I  and many other people believe it was made up......................................

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2014, 08:59:47 AM »
No it wouldn't - a reconstruction would only prove that no one saw Madeleine being taken from the apartment, which we already know

We can never be sure of that, the Tanner sighting aside.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2014, 09:01:35 AM »
Who are you, or indeed the McCann's and their friends, to pass such judgment or indeed question the need of a process not only required, but deemed important by the official investigation into the case, on what is a perfectly legitimate process in the Portuguese penal code.

When have witnesses in any other major case been able to question and ultimately kill such a request ( and by extension the investigation itself) deemed important to the official investigation?

The sheer arrogance of it alone is simply breathtaking.

Absolutely   8@??)(
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline The Singularity

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2014, 09:06:41 AM »
Snr Amaral had written her off as dead.

Has he been proven wrong?

Have the McCanns and their family been proven wrong by holding out hope?

Offline The Singularity

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2014, 09:12:27 AM »
Utter claptrap.

It is the mccanns through their clear failure to take proper care of their children by leaving them vulnerable to a variety of dangers whilst they wined and dined night after night.

Make no mistake as to where the blame lies for Madeleine's disappearance.

No abduction has been established as fact, at best it is a theory or if you prefer thesis, and as I  and many other people believe it was made up......................................

Yes they made a mistake leaving the children at night, I'm sure they have said this many many times and people just wont forgive them. But I think they are past caring what people think of them, they just want Madeleine back

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2014, 09:14:21 AM »
Yes they made a mistake leaving the children at night, I'm sure they have said this many many times and people just wont forgive them. But I think they are past caring what people think of them, they just want Madeleine back

You are assuming an abduction of course, which has not been proved, and of course if there was no abduction.......................

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2014, 09:19:30 AM »
You know one of the things which sticks in my mind is what Edgar said during the Ch4 reconstruction when Jane and Gerry disagreed over what happened.  He said that these things happen!!!!!

Yes, they happen when stories don't add up!   If they couldn't even get that right... 
« Last Edit: March 26, 2014, 09:23:54 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline jassi

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2014, 09:21:37 AM »
Yes they made a mistake leaving the children at night, I'm sure they have said this many many times and people just wont forgive them. But I think they are past caring what people think of them, they just want Madeleine back

On the contrary. They would not still employ a PR machine, not to mention expensive lawyers  if that were the case.

They care very much what people think.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future