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Offline Angelo222

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #900 on: January 27, 2015, 06:31:07 PM »
There can be no excuse for refusing to cooperate with a missing child investigation.  They should all hang their heads in shame.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #901 on: January 27, 2015, 06:38:14 PM »
There can be no excuse for refusing to cooperate with a missing child investigation.  They should all hang their heads in shame.

The only person I can think of who comes into that category is Ricardo Paiva and his infamous irrelevant file.

Not even Jez Wilkins' refusal to return to Portugal meets the accusation of failure to cooperate in a missing child investigation ... he refused to attend a reconstruction for an investigation into her parents, yes ... but there was never any refusal to assist a missing child inquiry.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Angelo222

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #902 on: January 27, 2015, 06:40:57 PM »
The only person I can think of who comes into that category is Ricardo Paiva and his infamous irrelevant file.

Not even Jez Wilkins' refusal to return to Portugal meets the accusation of failure to cooperate in a missing child investigation ... he refused to attend a reconstruction for an investigation into her parents, yes ... but there was never any refusal to assist a missing child inquiry.

Refusing to take part in a reconstruction was just that.  Appalling imo.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #903 on: January 27, 2015, 07:05:11 PM »
The only person I can think of who comes into that category is Ricardo Paiva and his infamous irrelevant file.

Not even Jez Wilkins' refusal to return to Portugal meets the accusation of failure to cooperate in a missing child investigation ... he refused to attend a reconstruction for an investigation into her parents, yes ... but there was never any refusal to assist a missing child inquiry.

You can perhaps provide corroborative evidence to support that statement?
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stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #904 on: January 27, 2015, 07:06:16 PM »
You can perhaps provide corroborative evidence to support that statement?

Nice one.  8((()*/

Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #905 on: January 27, 2015, 09:23:02 PM »
You can perhaps provide corroborative evidence to support that statement?

Please take time out to read the emails from the friends of the Drs McCann and Jeremy Wilkins concerning the proposed reconstruction and note the concerns raised. http://www.mccannfiles.com/id279.html

One rather suspects the Portuguese authorities may well have achieved the desired outcome.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #906 on: January 27, 2015, 09:55:38 PM »
Please take time out to read the emails from the friends of the Drs McCann and Jeremy Wilkins concerning the proposed reconstruction and note the concerns raised. http://www.mccannfiles.com/id279.html

One rather suspects the Portuguese authorities may well have achieved the desired outcome.
Yeah so! I have read all this long ago and as I recall Jeremy Wilkins did not say anything remotely like that which you attribute to him. To paraphrase; you said Jez intimated he would have gone if it was to search for a child but not if it was to finger the parents. That viewpoint is not reflected in the only statement I have found from JW. Perhaps you will be kind enough to post a link to the JW statement that supports your position.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #907 on: January 27, 2015, 10:02:07 PM »
Yeah so! I have read all this long ago and as I recall Jeremy Wilkins did not say anything remotely like that which you attribute to him. To paraphrase; you said Jez intimated he would have gone if it was to search for a child but not if it was to finger the parents. That viewpoint is not reflected in the only statement I have found from JW. Perhaps you will be kind enough to post a link to the JW statement that supports your position.

I suspect they did not give their genuine reason for not returning in their statements so they would be of little value...


Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #908 on: January 27, 2015, 10:28:50 PM »
Yeah so! I have read all this long ago and as I recall Jeremy Wilkins did not say anything remotely like that which you attribute to him. To paraphrase; you said Jez intimated he would have gone if it was to search for a child but not if it was to finger the parents. That viewpoint is not reflected in the only statement I have found from JW. Perhaps you will be kind enough to post a link to the JW statement that supports your position.


Please have the courtesy not to rewrite my posts to suit whatever agenda it is you may have and take note of what I have actually written ... which coincidentally does not pretend to include a direct quotation from Jeremy Wilkins.

Do try to read posts in the context of the ongoing discussion and go with the flow if possible rather than twist what is said to suit yourself.

There are three way conversations between Stuart Prior, the personages required to make up the numbers for the reconstruction including Jeremy Wilkins and the Portuguese.  If you read through those communications in the link I provided, you will note the way those conversations developed.

I think it may be intimated that there was unhappiness with the Portuguese side of the conversation among the McCann friends by the fact that lawyers were consulted and I think I probably intimated that being an intelligent man Jeremy Wilkins was very aware of exactly what was intended, just as everyone else seemed to be.

So your inference falls short of the mark ... but nil desperandum ... I'm sure you will come up with something equally as world shattering to nit pick about.


"Not even Jez Wilkins' refusal to return to Portugal meets the accusation of failure to cooperate in a missing child investigation ... he refused to attend a reconstruction for an investigation into her parents, yes ... but there was never any refusal to assist a missing child inquiry."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3699.msg215353#msg215353

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #909 on: January 27, 2015, 10:29:20 PM »
I suspect they did not give their genuine reason for not returning in their statements so they would be of little value...

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #910 on: January 27, 2015, 10:30:39 PM »
I suspect they did not give their genuine reason for not returning in their statements so they would be of little value...

In that case how can Brietta make an assertion about Jez's statement ?
Maybe she knows him or just whistling in the wind?.
Perm any one from two and lay your purse.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #911 on: January 27, 2015, 10:36:36 PM »
Jez Wilkins partner makes it pretty clear what their views were on tne McCanns and the PJ in her Guardian article at the end of 2007.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #912 on: January 27, 2015, 11:00:09 PM »
Jez Wilkins partner makes it pretty clear what their views were on tne McCanns and the PJ in her Guardian article at the end of 2007.

We are talking about 2008 and the statements made to Leicestershire Police.
Interpolation can lead to the "me granddad's axe" syndrome.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #913 on: January 27, 2015, 11:15:56 PM »
We are talking about 2008 and the statements made to Leicestershire Police.
Interpolation can lead to the "me granddad's axe" syndrome.
I know what you are talking about.  Sorry you didn't like my interpolation but I thought it had a certain relevance to the point in hand. 

Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #914 on: January 27, 2015, 11:31:13 PM »
Jez Wilkins partner makes it pretty clear what their views were on tne McCanns and the PJ in her Guardian article at the end of 2007.


Jeremy Wilkins had already given some thought to the atmosphere surrounding Madeleine McCann's disappearance and the assertions being made against her family and their friends and by association himself.

There may have been many reasons for his reluctance to return to Portugal for a reconstitution IMO one of which might have been because the reconstruction had nothing to do with Madeleine and all to do with her parents, possibly their friends and perhaps himself.


**snip
Quietly, we began to worry that Jes might be next in line for some imagined blame or accusation. On a Saturday night in September, he received a call: we were on the front page of the News of the World. They had surreptitiously taken photographs of us, outside the house. There were no more details. We went to bed, but we could not sleep. "Maddie: the secret witness," said the headline, "TV boss holds vital clue to the mystery." Unfortunately, Jes does not hold any such vital clues. In November, he inched through the events of that May night with Leicestershire detectives, but he saw nothing suspicious, nothing that would further the investigation.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....