No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?

[Benice]

Why is it not possible for the intruder to have had a spare set of keys?  Why is it not possible to have entered or exited by the window or sliding doors for that matter?  How is this scenario less plausible than the supposedly simple scenario which no McCann sceptic has ever been able to describe in any plausible manner that fits the known facts?

IMO one of the most plausible reasons for the open window was the fact that an abductor would need to check that the car park was clear of people before leaving the apartment with Madeleine.  Surely knowing whether the coast was clear or not would have been of mega importance?   

The front door was so recessed that it was not possible to make that vital check by just opening it and looking out.     You  would need to leave 5A and walk forward a couple of metres to do that - but insodoing you would then also risk being seen by anyone in the car park.

[sadie]

Good point Benice, so noiw we have


Reasons for the window to be open:
- To check that the car park was clear of people before leaving the apartment with Madeleine
- As an escape route in emergency
- To give moral support to the woman inside - and instructions
- To pass things through from man outside to woman inside (maybe chloroform pad?) and receive back
- to give the false impression that maddeleine climbed out of the window and wanderd off.
- To give a little natural added light to the room
- Maybe to illuminate the room with a torch from outside.  The lifter would have both hands full.
- To warn if anyone came via the front, or if alone to see if anyone was coming.
- Heriberto has a theory involving only one man who lifted Madeleine through the window

Nine possible reasons , imo

Anyone add any more?

[stephen25000]

IMO one of the most plausible reasons for the open window was the fact that an abductor would need to check that the car park was clear of people before leaving the apartment with Madeleine.  Surely knowing whether the coast was clear or not would have been of mega importance?   

The front door was so recessed that it was not possible to make that vital check by just opening it and looking out.     You  would need to leave 5A and walk forward a couple of metres to do that - but insodoing you would then also risk being seen by anyone in the car park.

What abductor benice ?

Where is the evidence, let alone proof of abduction ?

[jassi]

Kate debunked the sliding door herself, whilst also admitting she is lying about something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1370


Simple scenario, the kid died, her body was chucked into a big dumpster type bin, off to the tip she went, the end.

Certainly scores high for simplicity.

[sadie]

What abductor benice ?

Where is the evidence, let alone proof of abduction ?

SY talk about an abduction,

Why you feel it necessary to keep stifling the word?



Nine possible different reasons for the window to be open in the case of an abduction

[sadie]

Certainly scores high for simplicity.

But NOT for much else !! 

[jassi]

But NOT for much else !! 

You think not?

Meets the criteria -  child missing and never seen again.  What more is there?

[sadie]

Simple scenario, the kid died, her body was chucked into a big dumpster type bin, off to the tip she went, the end.

VERY SIMPLE scenario, but no proof, no indicators, nothing

SIMPLE is the word ...

... as I said before .

[jassi]

VERY SIMPLE scenario, but no proof, no indicators, nothing

SIMPLE is the word ...

... as I said before .

That is the hallmark of this case.

[stephen25000]

That is the hallmark of this case.

Yes Jassi.

You've got it in one.

[gilet]

Don't forget that the kids routine changed on the day Madeleine went missing.

Imagine any detective coming in on the case and asking what was their normal daily routine and was informed that the kids daily routine only changed once and that was the day she went missing - only hours before she was reported to be missing. That doesn't look good. And then he asks did anyone see the missing child at this routine time change and you say Yes a friend of the parents and his testimony contradicts the mother of the missing child. She said she was only wearing a towel, he can't remember what she was wearing. He said he went into the apartment. The mother said he never entered the apartment. They are now put to the top of the possible suspects list.

This smacks of desperation.

Do you actually stick to a routine on holiday? Do you not take opportunities to see new things, do new things if the chance arises?

And a couple of inconsistencies between statements, some made months after the event. Would you not find it even more suspicious if the statements matched in every single detail. Most people would. And do you think SY didn't notice these or do you think they completely ignored them before they said after a full review and further investigation (which may have included further questioning of the witnesses) that neither the parents, nor the friends were suspects or persons of interest?
 

[gilet]

Kate debunked the sliding door herself, whilst also admitting she is lying about something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1370


Simple scenario, the kid died, her body was chucked into a big dumpster type bin, off to the tip she went, the end.

There is no debunking of the sliding door theory of abduction by Kate in that film. She refers to Madeleine not an abductor. Perhaps you should study it more closely again?

And what lie are you referring to? There is no lie by Kate McCann in that film that I can see.

As for your "simple scenario", it misses out motive for the actions, motive for the friends reactions and explanation of the death. Not actually so simple as you claim.

[gilet]

What abductor benice ?

Where is the evidence, let alone proof of abduction ?

This thread is NOT ABOUT PROOF OF ABDUCTION.  Once again you have made it obvious that you either cannot work out what a thread is about by reading the title or you are here simply to disrupt and not contribute to the topic being discussed.

This thread is about the lack of evidence proving that the McCanns were involved.

If you bothered to remain on topic once, you might just manage to come up with some evidence for a crime by the McCanns.

If you cannot manage that, then this thread is simply proving its worth by showing that neither you, nor anyone else can actually show there is any evidence of a crime by the McCanns.

[Wonderfulspam]

There is no debunking of the sliding door theory of abduction by Kate in that film. She refers to Madeleine not an abductor. Perhaps you should study it more closely again?

And what lie are you referring to? There is no lie by Kate McCann in that film that I can see.

As for your "simple scenario", it misses out motive for the actions, motive for the friends reactions and explanation of the death. Not actually so simple as you claim.

It's debunked, an abductor would have to do all the things Maddie that would have to do to get in/out via the back door. He or she didn't because there was no trace of that and the abductor doesn't exist.

Kate - "I'm not lying about that..."

Clearly she is lying about something else.

Motive: The kids dead, they want to get rid.

Motive for the friends reactions:  Dunno wtf you are chatting about.

Explanation of the death:  She ceased being alive.

[gilet]

You think not?

Meets the criteria -  child missing and never seen again.  What more is there?

That is the problem with certain posters here. They think it appropriate to simply invent a scenario like the one you praised and they completely forget the need for EVIDENCE.

Can you provide any evidence for this scenario? No you cannot.

That is the point of this thread and you are making it for me.

You can make up claims about the parents but there is not one iota of evidence to back up the claims you and others are making.

It would be rather funny that you should have asked "what more is there?" as if making up a scenario was all that mattered but this is a serious case and serious cases demand evidence.

Now where is the evidence that supports that scenario or is it just guesswork?