No evidence of any crime by the parents and no evidence of an abduction?

[jassi]

Thank you for admitting that at last.

There is no evidence for the McCanns having committed any crime at all. And there is no evidence for abduction.

That is the point I have been making and finally you have managed to see the truth of the matter.

It is a shame that so many people still persist in their spurious definitive allegations about the McCanns when there is no evidence of any crime by them.

And it is a shame that some people persist in claiming that Madeleine was definitely abducted when there is no evidence for that either.

The fact is that anyone claiming to know what happened is simply guessing.

Is there evidence that a crime has taken place at all?

Madeleine is missing, but as there is no knowledge of what happened to her, her disappearance might not be criminal. Have the police every stated a specific  criminal act, or are they, too working on an assumption?

[Wonderfulspam]

Thank you for admitting that at last.

There is no evidence for the McCanns having committed any crime at all. And there is no evidence for abduction.

That is the point I have been making and finally you have managed to see the truth of the matter.

It is a shame that so many people still persist in their spurious allegations about the McCanns when there is no evidence of any crime by them.

And it is a shame that some people persist in claiming that Madeleine was definitely abducted when there is no evidence for that either.

The fact is that anyone claiming to know what happened is simply guessing.

I've known that all along, I didn't just work it out.

There is no evidence, that's why I was saying it's a pointless thread.

[pathfinder73]

I asked you to explain how you believe the identification of this man a quarter of a mile away specifically "connects" with the door closing in the apartment and with the female fingerprints.

Can you do that with some kind of logic or evidence or are you just guessing?

It will be proved that he was carrying Madeleine so that means at least two knew about her death when it happened in the apartment due to the dogs evidence. Anything said after her estimated time of death by the accused can't be believed as it is simply staging including any other evidence found such as finger prints.

[Wonderfulspam]

Is there evidence that a crime has taken place at all?

Madeleine is missing, but as there is no knowledge of what happened to her, her disappearance might not be criminal. Have the police every stated a specific  criminal act, or are they, too working on an assumption?

I find that highly unlikely, there's no way she could have got out on her own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1370

[gilet]

I find that highly unlikely, there's no way she could have got out on her own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1370

No-one mentioned her getting out alone.

There are THREE possibilities and NONE can be ruled out as no evidence exists to show ANY one of them is true.

The fact that you constantly ignore one of those possibilities tells us a great deal about your mindset.

[stephen25000]

How do you know that they found nothing.

I think they are[playing a very cany game.

You may be surprised.

We shall see.

[icabodcrane]

Gilet

Do you believe Madeleine McCann  was abducted ? 

[gilet]

I've known that all along, I didn't just work it out.

There is no evidence, that's why I was saying it's a pointless thread.

A shame that you didn't admit to that knowledge earlier then.

As for your belief that this is a pointless thread. I disagree strongly.

It is seriously eye-opening to see certain people such as yourself finally posting that there is actually no evidence that the McCanns are guilty of any crime.

And it is very revealing that nobody at all can offer any such evidence yet some people insist without evidence that they are guilty.

The value of the thread is in making it clear that is actually an untenable position and demonstrates that those people are merely guessing.

[gilet]

Gilet

Do you believe Madeleine McCann  was abducted ?

I believe that is one of the three possible explanations for her disappearance as you would realise if you had bothered to read the posts I have made on this thread and on others.

[Wonderfulspam]

No-one mentioned her getting out alone.

There are THREE possibilities and NONE can be ruled out as no evidence exists to show ANY one of them is true.

The fact that you constantly ignores one of those possibilities tells us a great deal about your mindset.

Is there evidence that a crime has taken place at all?

Madeleine is missing, but as there is no knowledge of what happened to her, her disappearance might not be criminal. Have the police every stated a specific  criminal act, or are they, too working on an assumption?

Other than her leaving the apartment alone I'm struggling to think of what other non criminal scenarios for her disappearance there could be.

[stephen25000]

Just to correct one point in your post.

You are pre-judging SY, not judging them as you have nothing to judge. You do not have the remotest idea what they have found so far as they have not chosen to share all their information.

They appear to have found out one thing for certain. And have stated that fact very clearly. That finding is that neither the McCanns, nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest.

You choose to disbelieve the Police. I prefer to wait for their findings.

It is not up to the McCanns to prove they have told the truth. Your abysmal understanding of law shines through that ridiculous claim you make about them. When that is allied to your inability to believe what the police tell you, it suggests you should get a better understanding of law and a better sense of proportion in dealing with UK police forces.

And then you go completely OFF TOPIC by resorting to your mantra of parental blame. You don't agree they exhibited parental responsibility and cannot get that fixation from your mind when discussing the other matters can you. It is not the topic of this thread. If you wish to discuss it then do so on a thread of your own. If you continue to attempt to discuss it here it will be blindingly obvious that you are trying to disrupt and that you cannot manage to discuss the topic of the thread at hand.

Now do you have any evidence of the McCanns being involved in any crime (against their daughter or any other crime at all)?

Another inane set of responses.

The SY police are far from foolproof.

Their history is littered with flawed cases, but you already know that.

You can prevaricate until the end of time,but it is solely the mccanns responsibility , that they left their children unprotected and in peril. This is the catalyst which led to Madeleine's disappearance. In all probability, they would have been charged with neglect if it had occurred in the UK.

As to the way the law works, I don't need any lectures from you.

[gilet]

It will be proved that he was carrying Madeleine so that means at least two knew about her death when it happened in the apartment due to the dogs evidence. Anything said after her estimated time of death by the accused can't be believed as it is simply staging including any other evidence found such as finger prints.

So you cannot connect the man with the door shutting or fingerprints as you claimed other than to guess that there has been some "staging".

And you add a spurious claim that a man carrying a child will prove that two people knew about this presumed death. And I am correct in calling it a presumed death on your part as the dog evidence neither proves that a cadaver ever was present in Apt 5A, and most certainly not that the cadaver scent detected related to Madeleine McCann. Your guesswork/presumptions about the alerts and their meaning is no more than that.

And your presumption that everyone is lying is no more than that either. You are merely guessing.

As the title says, there is no evidence of any crime by the McCanns.

You are simply confirming that fact.

[icabodcrane]

I believe that is one of the three possible explanations for her disappearance as you would realise if you had bothered to read the posts I have made on this thread and on others.

So you are not convinced that she was abducted by a stranger  ?

thanks,  I just wanted to clarify before joining your thread

[gilet]

Other than her leaving the apartment alone I'm struggling to think of what other non criminal scenarios for her disappearance there could be.

I never stated that all three possibilities as to what happened in PDL that night were criminal.

Your post is superfluous.

[gilet]

Another inane set of responses.

The SY police are far from foolproof.

Their history is littered with flawed cases, but you already know that.

You can prevaricate until the end of time,but it is solely the mccanns responsibility , that they left their children unprotected and in peril. This is the catalyst which led to Madeleine's disappearance. In all probability, they would have been charged with neglect if it had occurred in the UK.

As to the way the law works, I don't need any lectures from you.

A great shame that you demonstrate a failure to understand the way the law works in your own posts then. I can only go on the actual evidence of the content of your posts, you understand.

And I do find it laughable that we have had on this thread another person citing a belief in the fantasist from South Africa which you did not query but you cannot bring yourself to understand that the vast proportion of the work of SY is honest and reliable.

In your desperation to harangue the McCanns you cannot bring yourself to admit that most UK police work is done honestly and reliably. That is the kind of inanity which most posters and readers will recognise.