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Offline Carana

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #120 on: May 26, 2014, 03:49:52 PM »
Back to the OP: is Amaral's "thesis" credible or not?

What exactly is it? It seems to vary depending on whether it is what he states in his book, his film or his numerous interviews.

Once that is sorted (if ever):
- what exactly makes it "credible"?
- what evidence actually supports whatever his hypothesis actually is?
- what evidence is there that supports the idea that he is a lone "truthseeker" thwarted by powers beyond him?



Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #121 on: May 26, 2014, 04:00:48 PM »
Back to the OP: is Amaral's "thesis" credible or not?

What exactly is it? It seems to vary depending on whether it is what he states in his book, his film or his numerous interviews.

Once that is sorted (if ever):
- what exactly makes it "credible"?
- what evidence actually supports whatever his hypothesis actually is?
- what evidence is there that supports the idea that he is a lone "truthseeker" thwarted by powers beyond him?

The fact that the archiving report said that there was no evidence to link the McCanns with any crime means that amaral has nothing of value to support his thesis .....the fact that the new investigation does not consider the parents suspects reinforces this

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #122 on: May 26, 2014, 05:44:40 PM »
Amaral should never have been on the case as John pointed out yesterday ... he was an arguido ...in the uk he would have been suspended

icabodcrane

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Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #123 on: May 26, 2014, 07:18:36 PM »
We have been told by the archiving report that the so called evidence that placed the mccanns under suspicion was seriously flawed...

I don't think we can compare the actions of the PJ investigation led by amaral to Sy investigation led by redwood.

What we do know is that amaral is a convicted liar wheras Redwood is quite truthful

Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa made a public statement that the McCanns were not being treated as suspects even though it was blatently not true

I think he did that to keep a lid on the already explosive media situation

It is quite possible that Scotland have taken a similar approach,  knowing full well the importance of restraining media hysteria

...  especially in this case,  where a feeding frenzy will ensue at the first whiff of sharkbait

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #124 on: May 26, 2014, 07:20:17 PM »
Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa made a public statement that the McCanns were not being treated as suspects even though it was blatently not true

I think he did that to keep a lid on the already explosive media situation

It is quite possible that Scotland have taken a similar approach,  knowing full well the importance of restraining media hysteria

...  especially in this case,  where a feeding frenzy will ensue at the first whiff of sharkbait

I think it is a ridiculous assumption

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #125 on: May 26, 2014, 09:18:21 PM »
IMO his theory is good on some points, and wrong on many other points.
Just one example of each, strictly just IMO of course, based on the theory as presented in the Verdade film
Correct about mode and approximate time of exiting north bedroom.
Incorrect about mode and time of exiting apartment.

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #126 on: June 09, 2014, 12:59:39 AM »
My comments on a recent interview with Gonçalo Amaral
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2784.msg159868#msg159868

"There was no assault in that house"
Correct. And no intruder ever entered.

"'fake and staged' referring to the current theory being pursued by the British police"
The UK investigation is not staged, it genuinely intends to solve the case, but like Mr Amaral's, has some illogical assumptions.
"the idea of ​​there being a 'thief who was frightened by the child' is a scenario created solely for the media".
Incorrect. Here both Mr Amaral and Mr Redwood have not realised that a burglar opening the window to enter would disturb the child and simultaneously the child would disturb the burglar and therefore he would never get as far as climbing in, and is not the person who removes anything..

"...there wasn't missing a TV, a camera or money ..."
Correct. (Although if there had been no-one home, those items would be gone, simple insurance claims)

"... It is a ploy to make us forget what exists."
No. It is a situation where neither Mr A nor Mr R have worked through what would happen if someone opened the window and what sequence would obviously follow and how that might lead to increased risk.
 
As usual, I might be wrong.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 01:16:15 AM by pegasus »

Offline Benice

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #127 on: June 09, 2014, 01:13:19 AM »
From Amaral's book.

The idea of a robbery gone wrong is not to be ruled out either. During the holidays, burglaries are not rare, and the police are not always informed, because hotels avoid spreading this kind of information. Even if the examination of apartment 5A reveals no trace of a break-in - contrary to what the parents insist and that Sky announced - we have to take stock of the petty crimes committed in the seaside resort and at the tourist complex.
End quote
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #128 on: June 09, 2014, 01:25:11 AM »
Thanks Benice, that's good, so Mr Amaral did at least consider the possibility of interrupted burglary. I would like to sit for several hours at a pavement cafe with Mr R and Mr A (and some good portuguese food and beer of course) and ask them together to answer the simple question: if a burglar opened that window and shutter from outside, what would obviously happen next, step by step.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 01:30:00 AM by pegasus »

Offline Truth

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #129 on: June 09, 2014, 02:46:08 AM »
The abduction story is full of holes.

Experienced detectives can tell.

They probably didn't take it seriously at all.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #130 on: June 09, 2014, 02:51:35 AM »
The abduction story is full of holes.

Experienced detectives can tell.

They probably didn't take it seriously at all.

In past 7 years we had numerous experienced detectives speaking in the media and saying opposite.
Why should we trust only one detective who BTW has a criminal record?

Offline Montclair

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #131 on: June 09, 2014, 09:35:53 AM »
Why do you continue to say that is was Gonçalo Amaral's thesis? The investigation was not carried out by one lone inspector and furthermore, it was done under the supervision of the judges from the Ministério Público, as is the procedure in all criminal investigations in Portugal. The conclusions in the report of 10 September 2007 were the conclusions of an investigation carried out by the Portuguese and British police at the time, not those of some "rogue" cop, as many of you like to think.

As GA pointed out in his book, the possibility of a burglary gone wrong was also considered and not thought to be valid.

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #132 on: June 09, 2014, 11:11:33 AM »
Why do you continue to say that is was Gonçalo Amaral's thesis? The investigation was not carried out by one lone inspector and furthermore, it was done under the supervision of the judges from the Ministério Público, as is the procedure in all criminal investigations in Portugal. The conclusions in the report of 10 September 2007 were the conclusions of an investigation carried out by the Portuguese and British police at the time, not those of some "rogue" cop, as many of you like to think.

As GA pointed out in his book, the possibility of a burglary gone wrong was also considered and not thought to be valid.

Based on what?

Offline jassi

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #133 on: June 09, 2014, 11:19:27 AM »
Based on what?

Based on the information available to them as the investigating police force, I imagine.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral's Hypothesis - credible or not?
« Reply #134 on: June 09, 2014, 11:44:25 AM »
Based on the information available to them as the investigating police force, I imagine.

Wouldn't the investigation and exclusion of potential burglaries be in the files? If so, where? There are a few statements simply saying that people were aware of burglaries, but nothing to substantiate the exclusion of that scenario, nor anything to exclude any particular suspect that I have been able to find.