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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2014, 12:54:05 AM »
Quote from: misty48 on May 05, 2014, 12:52:54 AM
Not with you, Carly. Madeleine was taken at night. Tracker dogs would have scented her the following morning.

early  hours  like     4am
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Offline sadie

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2014, 12:59:16 AM »
Quote from: pegasus on May 05, 2014, 12:13:40 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-cops-3496784
"two areas of land surrounding the Ocean Club’s Apartment 5A, ... and an area on the nearby beach."

If this Mirror article is correct, IMO the "area on the nearby beach" might mean whole of the little west beach (based maybe on rua escola sighting)? And for the "two areas of land" guessing one of them might be the large plot west of blocks 5 and 4 just because of its proximity?
As Icabod says , we dont know, but the little western beach is a none runner imo because it is totally washed twice everyday by the tide coming in. 

When I was there I managed to get down to the tiny cove via a longish flight of decrepid, also overgrown and crumbling steps, and there was no sign of any beach as far as the eye could see.  In fact the sea was washing over the rocks I would have had to walk over.  My guess is that the water was about 2 feet high. 

In such a cove I think it is fair to believe that currents would form which would scour out the sand and turn anything up

Also my guess is that no-one would risk taking the steps down in such a dark spot.  However there is what appears to be a tunnel that comes out into the cove.  Maybe a smugglers tunnel from times gone by, even recent times?   If someone knew of this tunnels entrance, then maybe the beach could have been accessed safely.

But still the same scenario stands, with the beach being washed and scoured twice daily.

Amarals theory about Gerry maybe burying a dead Madeleine there and moving her weeks later, just doesn't hold any water tbh ... cos she would have been washed away


If she went to that cove, then almost without doubt, she was put in a small boat and taken out to sea to join a larger boat.  IMO of course
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Offline misty

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2014, 01:00:25 AM »
Quote from: carlymichelle on May 05, 2014, 12:54:05 AM
early  hours  like     4am

Which witness, Carly? I must have missed that statement.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2014, 01:02:26 AM »
IMO they would use various devices which can detect possibly disturbed ground etc, radar is actually mentioned in the article , and there are other technologies too.

"it will be full ground searches, using radar and other equipment"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-cops-3496784

BTW can anyone guess what highly sensitive "equipment" the vaguely worded "and other equipment" is i.m.o. certain to include? 
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icabodcrane

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2014, 01:08:48 AM »
Well those earth diggers are not going to be randomly churning dirt all over PDL, that's for sure

There's a reason they've been brought in  ... a  specific reason

Has to be
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2014, 01:09:26 AM »
All around the church to the rocks, building site behind church at the time. All that area should be searched for possible clues. Already made holes at the time and quickly filled if she was concealed there. If that did happen she didn't stay there but they may find something. And they should check the cliff face.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2014, 01:22:16 AM by pathfinder73 »
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2014, 01:24:17 AM »
Wonder if the Met are including some cadaver dogs with their specialist equipment?
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Offline Benice

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2014, 01:29:04 AM »
Quote from: misty48 on May 05, 2014, 01:24:17 AM
Wonder if the Met are including some cadaver dogs with their specialist equipment?

I thought they had already checked the beach?   From memory - so could be wrong.
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2014, 01:30:22 AM »
Quote from: misty48 on May 05, 2014, 01:24:17 AM
Wonder if the Met are including some cadaver dogs with their specialist equipment?
IMO: Absolutely certainly. 
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2014, 01:37:21 AM »
Quote from: pegasus on May 05, 2014, 01:30:22 AM
IMO: Absolutely certainly. 

Agreed the dogs may start and finish this case.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

icabodcrane

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2014, 01:52:17 AM »
Quote from: Benice on May 05, 2014, 01:29:04 AM
I thought they had already checked the beach?   From memory - so could be wrong.

Did  the Portuguese police ever bring in    'earth diggers'  ?  ...  or is this the first time that has been proposed  ?
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2014, 02:06:40 AM »
And the Rocha Nera where the neighbour saw the car?
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icabodcrane

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2014, 02:13:16 AM »
So Scotland Yard are going to PDL  to dig  for Madeleine's body  ? 

Is that where the investigation is at  ? 
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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2014, 02:19:03 AM »
Quote from: icabodcrane on May 05, 2014, 02:13:16 AM
So Scotland Yard are going to PDL  to dig  for Madeleine's body  ? 

Is that where the investigation is at  ?

IT JUST SAID ON SKY  NEWS ( AUSTRALIA)  that the mcanns have been told about this  and are  they    going  to be  digging in 3 spots and that the mcanns wont be going to portugal??
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2014, 02:20:58 AM »
The Guardian is reporting that Met is saying they won't comment on speculations..

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/05/madeleine-mccann-portugal-forensics-excavations?

So, this whole digging business might be a speculation?
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