Was Sheila Seen In The Kichen By EP?

[Myster]

Did Jeremy ever read the bible? would he know the appropriate Psalm?

I don't think that Jeremy actually committed the murders, but I am still unsure about Sheila.

Jeremy Bamber?.. read the Bible?... he treated them like hot potatoes. He couldn't wait to drop June's Bible on Sheila's arm!!!

[Passer-by]

Jeremy Bamber?.. read the Bible?... he treated them like hot potatoes. He couldn't wait to drop June's Bible on Sheila's arm!!!

Oh piffle:  it's much more likely the bible was open on her chest and that the big bloodstain on the top-right of the double page was resting on her nightie as it wicked off the blood from her neck.  Whenever her head rolled back onto the floor the bible slid down to rest on the floor and a bit of her arm. 

Look at the bloodstains at the top of her nightie:  you can see it has moved when her head did because the bloodstains on each fold don't quite align any more.

But tut-tut:  this has nothing to do with seeing Sheila in the kitchen 

[Passer-by]

I believe there is one upturned cereal bowl in front of the Welsh dresser, the other is in pieces scattered around.

The blue item on the roof appears to be the remnants of what was the ceiling light?

I'll grant you one suspected bowl, but not two:  if there are 2 place settings missing it's a bit odd that they are from opposing ends of the table but wound up on the floor by the dresser! 

[Passer-by]

That's Tesko territory... LOL!  What are we looking at... the blue and white coat hung on the wall to the right of the AGA?

A photo of the kitchen after clean-up showing light bulb without lampshade. If any broken pieces of glass were left attached to the threaded fastener of the light bulb socket, then it looks like they've been removed...

I've no idea what the Mythical Tesko has or hasn't said, sorry.  But thanks for posting this photo, which confirms there is a central light in the middle of the room, midway across the Aga, because that's where the dark blue thing is in the other picture which must indeed be the lampshade.  I deduce from its shininess and the fact it's still there that it is made of plastic not glass and that if the kitchen light was on when the police arrived means the bulb was also not broken.  I'd also be surprised, if Bamber was the murderer, that he would point it out as he did.

So it's not so surprising that Sheila would not have broken glass or blood on her bare feet.

[Myster]

I've no idea what the Mythical Tesko has or hasn't said, sorry.  But thanks for posting this photo, which confirms there is a central light in the middle of the room, midway across the Aga, because that's where the dark blue thing is in the other picture which must indeed be the lampshade.  I deduce from its shininess and the fact it's still there that it is made of plastic not glass and that if the kitchen light was on when the police arrived means the bulb was also not broken.  I'd also be surprised, if Bamber was the murderer, that he would point it out as he did.

So it's not so surprising that Sheila would not have broken glass or blood on her bare feet.

Which dark blue thing are you talking about?   If it's the hanging coat, then I can search for a photo showing it is definitely a coat, not a lampshade.

I reckon the shade was something similar to this, made of translucent glass and that's what all those small white shattered pieces are on the floor.  Could have been without any decoration too... just a plain smoked-glass one.

[Passer-by]

Well that's the sort of think I was expecting from the description but on Pg 3 I posted a photo saying 'what's this'.  It seems terribly high up to hang a coat? Does the room have a very high ceiling?

[Myster]

Well that's the sort of think I was expecting from the description but on Pg 3 I posted a photo saying 'what's this'.  It seems terribly high up to hang a coat? Does the room have a very high ceiling?

Yeah.. it's an old farmhouse, so ceilings were fairly high. I lived in a similar old house complete with one of those pull-up-and-down clothes driers on pulleys hanging from the ceiling, which you can just make out above AS300...etc. The coat could have been hung on that to dry after washing, or on a hook fixed to the wall.

This is a clearer picture, but only shows the lower part of that coat unfortunately...

[Passer-by]

Rats.  Bizarrely shiny?!  Do you think that's where the trousers came from?

[Myster]

Rats.  Bizarrely shiny?!  Do you think that's where the trousers came from?

I don't see any shine... it's just a blue coat with a white stripe one each arm and white edging to the zip.

The trousers look like jeans, could be Nevill's or Jeremy's, and from the kitchen or a different room. The cushions obviously from the chairs, and the white towel, one used in the kitchen. The puzzle is who put them there?

[Passer-by]

I don't see any shine... it's just a blue coat with a white stripe one each arm and white edging to the zip.

The trousers look like jeans, could be Nevill's or Jeremy's, and from the kitchen or a different room. The cushions obviously from the chairs, and the white towel, one used in the kitchen. The puzzle is who put them there?

Well thanks for clearing up,the ceiling height!  What do you think of the idea his head was placed in the coal scuttle to catch the blood?

[Myster]

Well thanks for clearing up,the ceiling height!  What do you think of the idea his head was placed in the coal scuttle to catch the blood?

Don't mentch!
 
You might have seen or used one of these dryers sometime in the past...

http://pulleymaid.com/deluxe_clothes_airer.htm

I'll come back later to the question of why his head and body were found in such a strange position, when I've thought it over again. It's been discussed here before, but my opinion changes every time I see the photo.

[Passer-by]

Yes I know the kind! The sort of thing that only works when there's an Aga and no central heating ;-)

Sorry:  I didn't realise it had been discussed before:  I will have another rootle through to see if I can find where.

[Angelo222]

That's Tesko territory... LOL!  What are we looking at... the blue and white coat hung on the wall to the right of the AGA?

A photo of the kitchen after clean-up showing light bulb without lampshade. If any broken pieces of glass were left attached to the threaded fastener of the light bulb socket, then it looks like they've been removed...

That's a coat alright, hanging up on the adjustable Victorian clothes airer, a photo of a similar one below.

 You can just see one end of it (top left) in the photo you posted of the Bambers kitchen.

[Angelo222]

I've no idea what the Mythical Tesko has or hasn't said, sorry.  But thanks for posting this photo, which confirms there is a central light in the middle of the room, midway across the Aga, because that's where the dark blue thing is in the other picture which must indeed be the lampshade.  I deduce from its shininess and the fact it's still there that it is made of plastic not glass and that if the kitchen light was on when the police arrived means the bulb was also not broken.  I'd also be surprised, if Bamber was the murderer, that he would point it out as he did.

So it's not so surprising that Sheila would not have broken glass or blood on her bare feet.

It wasn't a plastic lampshade Pb, it was a glass globe and it shattered into smithereens when hit with the rifle.

Apologies...I posted without reading the last few posts so duplicated some of the discussion.  As they say in South Africa however, better overkill than no kill!!

[Anna]

Well thanks for clearing up,the ceiling height!  What do you think of the idea his head was placed in the coal scuttle to catch the blood?

Was the escape exit near the body? It may have been to prevent blood pooling in the area that the murderer would need access to, or have to walk past to make an escape or go for a wash/shower?