So what is the evidence for abduction?

[Alice Purjorick]

you're still thrashing in the long grass

Au contraire ducky; I doubt you are even good enough to have a handicap!
Watch it folks he will profess to have a plus.

[sadie]

I think it was mentioned in the files, Sadie, I don't recall if it was a pre-McCann guest or someone who rented the flat after them.  But I think I read that it was reported to maintenance that the security light was out - I seem to recall that it was fixed.

Margaret Hall provided details to make an efit ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-nannys-new-sketch-329189

Thanks Brietta.

[Wonderfulspam]

Notice the complete absence of abduction evidence here, dave, Alfred?

Notice that?

I was right the first time I said it & the thousand or so other times I have since repeated it adnauseam.

There ain't none..... because she wasn't abducted.

That's the truth.

[stephen25000]

Notice the complete absence of abduction evidence here, dave, Alfred?

Notice that?

I was right the first time I said it & the thousand or so other times I have since repeated it adnauseam.

There ain't none..... because she wasn't abducted.

That's the truth.

It won't stop them spouting their belief.

Hallelujah.

[Alice Purjorick]

Notice the complete absence of abduction evidence here, dave, Alfred?

Notice that?

I was right the first time I said it & the thousand or so other times I have since repeated it adnauseam.

There ain't none..... because she wasn't abducted.

That's the truth.

I know that, you know that, Stevo knows that but davel knows she was abducted and SY agree with him.
Not he agrees with SY you understand but SY agree with him. Now that should tell us all we need to know.
As for Fredo he is in a trance cos he appears to have the hots  for Faithlilly. Or maybe she is the only one left to talk to cos the rest of us scutters are on his ignore list.
Hey ho same old rubbish different day, and it's pissing with rain here Judith.

[sadie]

Notice the complete absence of abduction evidence here, dave, Alfred?

Notice that?

I was right the first time I said it & the thousand or so other times I have since repeated it adnauseam.

There ain't none..... because she wasn't abducted.

That's the truth.

I have posted a similar list to this before.  Has it been whooshed? … or was it perchance on a different thread?   …………………..Hmm?



Ok a few pointers to abduction by a stranger.

1)   Cuddlecat was left behind.  Madeleines favourite toy that at bedtime was always with her,

2)   Her favourite blanket was still there.  Please correct me if I am wrong on this

3)   The statements of 9 sensible and honourable people point in the direction of an abduction.  None of the Police Forces believe what you guys are trying to say.   But then they are based upon nothing more than wishful thinking and the word of a man, Goncalo Amaral, who is a criminal and a Court proven LIAR, twice over
Also backing up statements by Jeronimo and Jez, maybe others that escape me in my tired state.

4)   If they were guilty, they would have quietly faded out of the limelight, so that the whole thing became forgotten with time.

5)   The way that Kate and Gerry have pushed, pushed, pushed for SY to take over.  Is that the way that guilty people would behave? 
Of course not,
If Kate and Gerry were guilty, they would not want the Worlds best investigative police force looking at them.

7)             The Jane Tanner sighting.
This does not fit with Crechman in several ways.   
It begs the question, was Crechman a red herring?  There have been a number of red herrings in this case … as verified personally to me at SY.

8)   The Watchers
These were noted by a series of different people.

9)   The pile of cigarette butts on a balcony overlooking the scene, indicatring someone had been in that spot for an extended period …. Watching ? ….and coordinating ?

10}               The faith that SY have shown in Kate and Gerry and the Tapas group.  They will have third degreed them and know many things that we don’t know.

11)                The window and shutter were open


There are probably more but atm my brain is dead and I going back to bed.   Can anyone add to it please.    Soz,  but was up several times in the night

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[Brietta]

I have posted a similar list to this before.  Has it been whooshed? … or was it perchance on a different thread?   …………………..Hmm?



Ok a few pointers to abduction by a stranger.

1)   Cuddlecat was left behind.  Madeleines favourite toy that at bedtime was always with her,

2)   Her favourite blanket was still there.  Please correct me if I am wrong on this

3)   The statements of 9 sensible and honourable people point in the direction of an abduction.  None of the Police Forces believe what you guys are trying to say.   But then they are based upon nothing more than wishful thinking and the word of a man, Goncalo Amaral, who is a criminal and a Court proven LIAR, twice over
Also backing up statements by Jeronimo and Jez, maybe others that escape me in my tired state.

4)   If they were guilty, they would have quietly faded out of the limelight, so that the whole thing became forgotten with time.

5)   The way that Kate and Gerry have pushed, pushed, pushed for SY to take over.  Is that the way that guilty people would behave? 
Of course not,
If Kate and Gerry were guilty, they would not want the Worlds best investigative police force looking at them.

7)             The Jane Tanner sighting.
This does not fit with Crechman in several ways.   
It begs the question, was Crechman a red herring?  There have been a number of red herrings in this case … as verified personally to me at SY.

8)   The Watchers
These were noted by a series of different people.

9)   The pile of cigarette butts on a balcony overlooking the scene, indicatring someone had been in that spot for an extended period …. Watching ? ….and coordinating ?

10}               The faith that SY have shown in Kate and Gerry and the Tapas group.  They will have third degreed them and know many things that we don’t know.

11)                The window and shutter were open


There are probably more but atm my brain is dead and I going back to bed.   Can anyone add to it please.    Soz,  but was up several times in the night

Admin.  Please do not remove this list.  Thank you

The list is compelling and certainly gives more indications of stranger abduction than convoluted and contrived theories put forward for ‘staged abduction’. 

Unless witness statements are no longer to be considered as such there is plenty of evidence that Madeleine was abducted laid out in this post.

Madeleine McCann’s case was marred by the initial forensics harvested at the scene all proving useless; witnesses to strange behaviour in the vicinity of the apartment in many cases struggled to have their statements taken and some had to be very insistent over a period of time – some may have given up in the face of such ineptitude and important information lost. 

Perhaps the most elementary fault of all was in the attempt to make the evidence fit the theory instead of developing the theory from the evidence; a practice which continues even now.

[stephen25000]

The list is compelling and certainly gives more indications of stranger abduction than convoluted and contrived theories put forward for ‘staged abduction’. 

Unless witness statements are no longer to be considered as such there is plenty of evidence that Madeleine was abducted laid out in this post.

Madeleine McCann’s case was marred by the initial forensics harvested at the scene all proving useless; witnesses to strange behaviour in the vicinity of the apartment in many cases struggled to have their statements taken and some had to be very insistent over a period of time – some may have given up in the face of such ineptitude and important information lost. 

Perhaps the most elementary fault of all was in the attempt to make the evidence fit the theory instead of developing the theory from the evidence; a practice which continues even now.

'The statements of 9 sensible and honourable people point in the direction of an abduction.'


Pull the other one.

You do not know any of them told the truth, partially or fully .

There is nothing found that can prove abduction or burglary.

FACT.

[Brietta]

There is a substantial case that Madeleine was the victim of stranger abduction.

It would appear that the PJ and the Met think so too or they would not be bothering to look for a perpetrator. 

Don't you think it is about time you took on board that any notion that Madeleine's parents had any involvement in her disappearance has been discarded by law enforcement agencies ... I note that we do not see so many 'catchee monkee' posts on the internet of late as the realisation sinks home.

[Brietta]

'The statements of 9 sensible and honourable people point in the direction of an abduction.'


Pull the other one.

You do not know any of them told the truth, partially or fully .

There is nothing found that can prove abduction or burglary.

FACT.

There are many independent witnesses who are on record as observing behaviour round about 5a at relevant times which gave them cause for concern not only in retrospect but at the time. 

If you do not give proper weight to witnesses statements to collate those which may be of value and eliminate those which have checked out, you will get nowhere in the case of a missing child.

You will certainly ensure that any hard evidence will be irretreviably lost.

The phone pings seem to have given the Met something to get their teeth into; pity concentration on the calls of Madeleine’s parents and their friends seems to have distracted the original investigation from the line of investigation now followed by the Met which had the potential of finding out what happened to Madeleine at the time.

How the perp/s must have chortled at ineptitude on ineptitude in the conduct of the investigation.

[Brietta]

I see no actual proof at the moment that Portuguese officials are co-operating; we have no idea what is going on re. the letters of request, but we have been told to expect the long haul.

You have absolutely no idea what the Met have or have not found ... stupid of you to bang on about it.

If there is evidence of staged abduction involving Madeleine's parents and their friends ... why aren't they in jail?
Quite simply ... there is none.

But there sure is evidence that Madeleine McCann was abducted ... which is why the PJ and the Met are looking for the perp/s ... and IMO they probably know exactly who it is they would like to help them with their inquiries ... and it ain't the Drs McCann.

But I think most sensible folk have worked that out already.

[stephen25000]

There are many independent witnesses who are on record as observing behaviour round about 5a at relevant times which gave them cause for concern not only in retrospect but at the time. 

If you do not give proper weight to witnesses statements to collate those which may be of value and eliminate those which have checked out, you will get nowhere in the case of a missing child.

You will certainly ensure that any hard evidence will be irretreviably lost.

The phone pings seem to have given the Met something to get their teeth into; pity concentration on the calls of Madeleine’s parents and their friends seems to have distracted the original investigation from the line of investigation now followed by the Met which had the potential of finding out what happened to Madeleine at the time.

How the perp/s must have chortled at ineptitude on ineptitude in the conduct of the investigation.

How many people saw others hanging around other apartments /buildings in PDL ?

Phone activity proves diddly squat unless you have corroborating evidence of entrance to the apartment.

There is NONE.

[John]

Just catching up on things and not having read all the posts in this thread, what is the proof evidence of abduction other than an open window and a raised shutter with a 3-year-old missing?

I honestly believe the Portuguese are sick to the back teeth of this case and the damage it has done to the area both in terms of reputations and to commerce.

[Wonderfulspam]

Just catching up on things and not having read all the posts in this thread, what is the proof evidence of abduction other than an open window and a raised shutter with a 3-year-old missing?

I honestly believe the Portuguese are sick to the back teeth of this case and the damage it has done to the area both in terms of reputations and to commerce.

There is Jane Tanners Golden Evidence.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1158.30

LMAO

Oh, & of course, Kate wasn't lying about the window, was she, she said so herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1370

[stephen25000]

Just catching up on things and not having read all the posts in this thread, what is the proof evidence of abduction other than an open window and a raised shutter with a 3-year-old missing?

I honestly believe the Portuguese are sick to the back teeth of this case and the damage it has done to the area both in terms of reputations and to commerce.

'open window and a raised shutter with a 3-year-old missing?'

The first two only on the word of kate mccann.

Madeleine missing, TRUE.