Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories

[sika]

No, my theory is he thought he wouldn't go back to prison if he was dying and the mediacl care was probably better. I wonder if he had the medical costs to pay for in the country he left? It might be Brazil but I don't know.

I completely agree.  I found it rather outrageous that once he returned and was sent to prison, there was a campaign by some for him to be released!  They claimed that it was inhumane to keep a dying man locked up!  His was a classic example of the glamorisation of crime.  He was regarded as a celebrity and a bit of a hero.  Outrageous .

[John]

No, my theory is he thought he wouldn't go back to prison if he was dying and the mediacl care was probably better. I wonder if he had the medical costs to pay for in the country he left? It might be Brazil but I don't know.

He was down to his last Brazilian Real more or less and as we all know there is little or no social security in these Latin American hide aways.  I don't think he had much choice once his health failed so it was either die or return to Blighty.

[John]

The Lucan case has always interested me greatly. Lucan I think disappeared with the help of his powerful, rich connections. Personally I think it unlikely that he is still alive today, but he may well be.
His friends could have helped to whisk him off abroad where he would assume a new identity and a new life.
I think as a person the man was a wastrel and a jerk with little or no common sense. It is a pity that he eluded justice and never faced the consequences of his appalling actions.

Even Ronnie Biggs came back to face justice and he was released on compassionate ground in 2009.

Do you think that Biggs would have returned had he not been terminally ill?  I don't.

Definitely not.  He only returned for medical help.

[goatboy]

Anyone seen Tesko's latest? Apparently he has the itemised phone listing of calls made from WHF and 9 Head Street on the night of the murders. Obviously he won't show them for some reason. He says there was a call from WHF to Jeremy and the phone records show the panic button (connected to the phone line) was activated hence the police car sent by Whitham at 3:35am. So at a stroke he admits that Neville didn't call the police as well as Jeremy (which he thought the phone logs proved) thereby admitting he has been talking b*llocks about this for years. He also states that there are records of a phone call from Jeremy to Julie the night before and early in the morning of the murders. Which we already know though he won't specify the times which would have helped. Don't the blue forum allege that the independent witnesses in Julie's house changed their stories  so the time of Jeremy's call fitted the prosecution's case better? If he really had these records why not confirm the exact times of the calls? Also he mentioned a lengthy conversation between June and Pam Boutflour. However, isn't it on record that it was Pam who called June, so why would an inbound call show on the telephone records? I may have missed something but isn't Tesko's latest revelation based on stuff we already know, and not entirely accurate based on what we do know? And wild speculation about the panic button which cannot be proved, and if it could have been surely the police would have known that someone pressed the panic button while Jeremy would still have been in his house, therefore there would have been no grounds to suspect Jeremy. I wonder if anyone else has seen his latest crazy theories and what they think of them?

[abs]

What I think of them? I haven´t seen them, never read them anymore and haven´t for a long time.
All the lies, half-truths and wild theories and other shenanigans do nothing but harm to Jeremy´s case. It reminds me of a crossword puzzle you cannot solve and start making up weird words to try to move on.
That is what I think.

[Dillon]

What I think of them? I haven´t seen them, never read them anymore and haven´t for a long time.
All the lies, half-truths and wild theories and other shenanigans do nothing but harm to Jeremy´s case. It reminds me of a crossword puzzle you cannot solve and start making up weird words to try to move on.
That is what I think.

I agree with ABS. IMO it is a waste of time trying to understand what he is banging on about in his rambling and contradictory posts. I do not beleive that Bamber is innocent, but if I did I would find Tesko's contribution pretty unhelpful. He keeps on claiming the existence of evidence, photos etc and mysterious informants which if real might help Bamber's defence, but then never produces the them. It is no wonder if Bamber and his lawyers consider Tesko a cranky waste of space. But, then, another paradox is why on earth does a guy like Bellis continue to play a leading role in the Bamber Forum  ?  Whatever you may think of Bellis' business career, he is a qualified barrister and does not come over as stupid like some other posters on the blue forum.

[John]

Anyone seen Tesko's latest? Apparently he has the itemised phone listing of calls made from WHF and 9 Head Street on the night of the murders. Obviously he won't show them for some reason. He says there was a call from WHF to Jeremy and the phone records show the panic button (connected to the phone line) was activated hence the police car sent by Whitham at 3:35am. So at a stroke he admits that Neville didn't call the police as well as Jeremy (which he thought the phone logs proved) thereby admitting he has been talking b*llocks about this for years. He also states that there are records of a phone call from Jeremy to Julie the night before and early in the morning of the murders. Which we already know though he won't specify the times which would have helped. Don't the blue forum allege that the independent witnesses in Julie's house changed their stories  so the time of Jeremy's call fitted the prosecution's case better? If he really had these records why not confirm the exact times of the calls? Also he mentioned a lengthy conversation between June and Pam Boutflour. However, isn't it on record that it was Pam who called June, so why would an inbound call show on the telephone records? I may have missed something but isn't Tesko's latest revelation based on stuff we already know, and not entirely accurate based on what we do know? And wild speculation about the panic button which cannot be proved, and if it could have been surely the police would have known that someone pressed the panic button while Jeremy would still have been in his house, therefore there would have been no grounds to suspect Jeremy. I wonder if anyone else has seen his latest crazy theories and what they think of them?

Well I can confirm that there is no such itemised accounts for either of the two telephone accounts.  I have spoken with the person who dealt with all these matters and they confirm that the telephone account was paid by units logging.  There is no record of what calls were made at what time from any of the phones.

Mike Tesko is a liar who will do or say just about anything to free Bamber.  Fortunately we have all got wise to him now.

[buddy]

Anyone seen Tesko's latest? Apparently he has the itemised phone listing of calls made from WHF and 9 Head Street on the night of the murders. Obviously he won't show them for some reason. He says there was a call from WHF to Jeremy and the phone records show the panic button (connected to the phone line) was activated hence the police car sent by Whitham at 3:35am. So at a stroke he admits that Neville didn't call the police as well as Jeremy (which he thought the phone logs proved) thereby admitting he has been talking b*llocks about this for years. He also states that there are records of a phone call from Jeremy to Julie the night before and early in the morning of the murders. Which we already know though he won't specify the times which would have helped. Don't the blue forum allege that the independent witnesses in Julie's house changed their stories  so the time of Jeremy's call fitted the prosecution's case better? If he really had these records why not confirm the exact times of the calls? Also he mentioned a lengthy conversation between June and Pam Boutflour. However, isn't it on record that it was Pam who called June, so why would an inbound call show on the telephone records? I may have missed something but isn't Tesko's latest revelation based on stuff we already know, and not entirely accurate based on what we do know? And wild speculation about the panic button which cannot be proved, and if it could have been surely the police would have known that someone pressed the panic button while Jeremy would still have been in his house, therefore there would have been no grounds to suspect Jeremy. I wonder if anyone else has seen his latest crazy theories and what they think of them?

Well I can confirm that there is no such itemised accounts for either of the two telephone accounts.  I have spoken with the person who dealt with all these matters and they confirm that the telephone account was paid by units logging.  There is no record of what calls were made at what time from any of the phones.

Mike Tesko is a liar who will do or say just about anything to free Bamber.  Fortunately we have all got wise to him now.

Well you may be able to confim this, but I have viewed the itemised bills, from 1982.

[puglove]

What I think of them? I haven´t seen them, never read them anymore and haven´t for a long time.
All the lies, half-truths and wild theories and other shenanigans do nothing but harm to Jeremy´s case. It reminds me of a crossword puzzle you cannot solve and start making up weird words to try to move on.
That is what I think.

I agree with ABS. IMO it is a waste of time trying to understand what he is banging on about in his rambling and contradictory posts. I do not beleive that Bamber is innocent, but if I did I would find Tesko's contribution pretty unhelpful. He keeps on claiming the existence of evidence, photos etc and mysterious informants which if real might help Bamber's defence, but then never produces the them. It is no wonder if Bamber and his lawyers consider Tesko a cranky waste of space. But, then, another paradox is why on earth does a guy like Bellis continue to play a leading role in the Bamber Forum  ?  Whatever you may think of Bellis' business career, he is a qualified barrister and does not come over as stupid like some other posters on the blue forum.

Bellis obviously needs the approbation.

[goatboy]

Yes, I totally agree. However, there are plenty of people on that forum who will take Tesko's every word as gospel truth (though fortunately a few dissenting voices among the innocent camp who do take Mike to task if he is being a bit odd). What it all boils down to is this: if Mike Teskowski really had hard evidence that would vindicate Bamber's version of events in any way, and given that Bamber has already been in prison for 27 years why not make it public?

[puglove]

I'm sorry for the following foul language.

Mike Tesko went on the 'f..king silly b........' list this afternoon, he moved from the crazy horse list. Its a pity some of the blue forum can't see him for what he is but as I've said before, people aren't going to change their minds until thr read all the evidence for themselves and also see the theories put forward by the sensible people. I decided he was bound for the list when I read some theory earlier on today and decided enough was enough and I can't even remember what it was, it was so crazy.

I can't get the image of those twin boys from my mind when they were babies and then at possibley just before they died on the picture with Sheila. I hope I NEVER EVER see a picture of them after the incident, it would be too much for me. RIP Nicholas and Daniel.

I have always presumed that Ralph died in his chair, behind the kitchen door. His body, stiff with rigor mortis, would have been pitched forward when the police broke in, causing his head to hit the floor and his head wounds to bleed. At least 2 officers would have picked his body up and perched him on the edge of the chair, placing his head in the Aga scuttle to contain the blood, and laying the clothes and cushions on the floor to prevent further spread. But when I put this to Mike, months ago, he replied (as smiffy) that Ralph's body was already in this position when the police looked through the window, before they broke in, because "his upended, skinny old man's arse was clearly visible."

So which theory is he going with tonight?

[starryian]

Anyone seen Tesko's latest? Apparently he has the itemised phone listing of calls made from WHF and 9 Head Street on the night of the murders. Obviously he won't show them for some reason. He says there was a call from WHF to Jeremy and the phone records show the panic button (connected to the phone line) was activated hence the police car sent by Whitham at 3:35am. So at a stroke he admits that Neville didn't call the police as well as Jeremy (which he thought the phone logs proved) thereby admitting he has been talking b*llocks about this for years. He also states that there are records of a phone call from Jeremy to Julie the night before and early in the morning of the murders. Which we already know though he won't specify the times which would have helped. Don't the blue forum allege that the independent witnesses in Julie's house changed their stories  so the time of Jeremy's call fitted the prosecution's case better? If he really had these records why not confirm the exact times of the calls? Also he mentioned a lengthy conversation between June and Pam Boutflour. However, isn't it on record that it was Pam who called June, so why would an inbound call show on the telephone records? I may have missed something but isn't Tesko's latest revelation based on stuff we already know, and not entirely accurate based on what we do know? And wild speculation about the panic button which cannot be proved, and if it could have been surely the police would have known that someone pressed the panic button while Jeremy would still have been in his house, therefore there would have been no grounds to suspect Jeremy. I wonder if anyone else has seen his latest crazy theories and what they think of them?

Thank you for that Goatboy. It is yet more ridiculous, windy rhetoric by Tesko. Completely groundless and without any foundation whatsoever. If he says he has a log of the calls made - not available in 1985 - then he is a simply not telling the truth. Analogue Switch exchanges in 1985 only measured the amount of units used and not the location of the recipient of the call. Only special devices used by police could track the location and recipents location of a call in those days. These days, more technical digital exchanges can record all necessary information.
If Tesko has claimed that he has records that show he phoned Julie on the morning of the murders, then that is also a lie. Bamber actually phoned Julie Mugford on the morning of the killings from a public telephone box. In fact he had to borrow the necessary standard 10p call charge from a policeman present.
There was no call from Nevil. He did not try to call straight back and received 'an engaged tone' (another impossibility). Even if you could prove a call from White House Farm was, indeed made to Jeremy's cottage, it does NOT prove that Nevil made the call. It could be easily argued that Bamber himself made the call to his own telephone answering machine. It therefore proves nothing.

[Andrea]

There are no itemised bills from WHF for the relevant period, there is no photo of Sheila on the bed.

Those two pieces of evidence would get JB out of the slammer, yet Mike chooses to keep them under wraps? They dont exist, simples 

[puglove]

There are no itemised bills from WHF for the relevant period, there is no photo of Sheila on the bed.

Those two pieces of evidence would get JB out of the slammer, yet Mike chooses to keep them under wraps? They dont exist, simples 

Hallo, Andy. I'm sure you're right. Mike reckons that there are at least 3 copies of "Sheila on the bed" and Bob told him how to access the one, weeks ago, but still nothing. It would seem that it suits Mike to keep JB in prison.

[Andrea]

It seems that way doesnt it.

What do you think will happen with the request for a JR?