Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories

[abs]

Once again he is harming Jeremy´s case. I hope this is not because of his illness. I bear no grudge against Mike - I kind of like him actually, so I hope the best for him.

[Dillon]

Once again he is harming Jeremy´s case. I hope this is not because of his illness. I bear no grudge against Mike - I kind of like him actually, so I hope the best for him.

I am probably not being very charitable to Mike but I do find his latest Sheila defamation extremely offensive. I have said before that I am sorry that he is ill with a brain tumour. That may be affecting his judgement. I respect his loyality and tenacity in continuing to support Bamber even if that is not reciprocated. There are other people, in particular Mr Neil Bellis, who have a leading role in the running of his forum and IMO they have a duty to try and ensure a modicum of good taste. I have no time for racist or sexist abuse which they rightly criticise, but they are applying double standards in not tackling this sort of foul abuse on the blue forum . 

[starryian]

Once again he is harming Jeremy´s case. I hope this is not because of his illness. I bear no grudge against Mike - I kind of like him actually, so I hope the best for him.

I concur Abs. As much as I disagree with Mike, I wish him a safe and speedy recovery.

[Angelo222]

Once again he is harming Jeremy´s case. I hope this is not because of his illness. I bear no grudge against Mike - I kind of like him actually, so I hope the best for him.

I concur Abs. As much as I disagree with Mike, I wish him a safe and speedy recovery.

If my memory serves me correctly Mike went to great pains to inform everyone that the condition was inoperable and consequently the diagnosis was terminal.  He also went as far as to ask the question as to what would become of the forum in his absence and it was then that he started appointing moderators.

If he is now moving the goalposts then that is not at all surprising given his ability to spin a yarn?

[jackiepreece]

Abs I think the way Mike is behaving is because of his illness and it's very upsetting but no such excuse for Ngb

[Angelo222]

Abs I think the way Mike is behaving is because of his illness and it's very upsetting but no such excuse for Ngb

Jackie: Have you ever met Bellis??

[abs]

Mike might also just be taking the p***, you never know with him, he seems to like doing that.

[Angelo222]

Mike might also just be taking the p***, you never know with him, he seems to like doing that.

Wouldn't be surprised abs.  Why is Keira or Colleen Morrison as we all now know her posting under a false name?  Is she embarrassed by the latest revelations and the damage it could do her with Harlow Council Watch??

[starryian]

I read this comment from a person calling themselves 'Lookout' on the blue forum He was discussing a minor incident that took place at a local pub, some time before the murders occurred, between Nevill Bamber and in-law John Eaton in a land dispute. The dispute was quickly setlled and no more was ever mentioned about it. However, 'Lookout' wants to capitalise on it as much as he can and is clearly using this incident to cast aspirsions on the reputation of the relatives. A common theme over there and clearly driven by none other than Jeremy Bamber's warped hatred of them. These sycophants are clearly paraphrasing Bamber's own views - no surprise there!
Please prepare yourselves by keeping a large bucket handy and smear yourself liberally with hypocrisy repellent.

'So I gather that John Eaton was a younger man than Nevill. Yet he flung a punch at an elderly man.?
Drunkenness is no excuse either. There has to exist an element of violence for someone to even contemplate such an action,,besides a total lack of respect. The Bambers weren't that sort of a family,,,but the relatives certainly were. '

Now where did I put that bucket?.......... >@@(*&)

[Dillon]

I read this comment from a person calling themselves 'Lookout' on the blue forum He was discussing a minor incident that took place at a local pub, some time before the murders occurred, between Nevill Bamber and in-law John Eaton in a land dispute. The dispute was quickly setlled and no more was ever mentioned about it. However, 'Lookout' wants to capitalise on it as much as he can and is clearly using this incident to cast aspirsions on the reputation of the relatives. A common theme over there and clearly driven by none other than Jeremy Bamber's warped hatred of them. These sycophants are clearly paraphrasing Bamber's own views - no surprise there!
Please prepare yourselves by keeping a large bucket handy and smear yourself liberally with hypocrisy repellent.

'So I gather that John Eaton was a younger man than Nevill. Yet he flung a punch at an elderly man.?
Drunkenness is no excuse either. There has to exist an element of violence for someone to even contemplate such an action,,besides a total lack of respect. The Bambers weren't that sort of a family,,,but the relatives certainly were. '

Now where did I put that bucket?.......... >@@(*&)

I don't bother looking at the blue forum anymore as it is mostly rubbish but I recall that " Lookout "  ( male/female ? ) stands out as being particularly lacking in brainpower competing with Grahame for sycophantic devotion to the cause of Jeremy. Comes out with statements like it is a good thing that our Jerry is not vindictive by nature in the context of his impending release so no one need fear retribution. Ha, ha. He has conducted a campaign of hate aimed at all those who stood in his way for the past 27 years.   

[starryian]

I read this comment from a person calling themselves 'Lookout' on the blue forum He was discussing a minor incident that took place at a local pub, some time before the murders occurred, between Nevill Bamber and in-law John Eaton in a land dispute. The dispute was quickly setlled and no more was ever mentioned about it. However, 'Lookout' wants to capitalise on it as much as he can and is clearly using this incident to cast aspirsions on the reputation of the relatives. A common theme over there and clearly driven by none other than Jeremy Bamber's warped hatred of them. These sycophants are clearly paraphrasing Bamber's own views - no surprise there!
Please prepare yourselves by keeping a large bucket handy and smear yourself liberally with hypocrisy repellent.

'So I gather that John Eaton was a younger man than Nevill. Yet he flung a punch at an elderly man.?
Drunkenness is no excuse either. There has to exist an element of violence for someone to even contemplate such an action,,besides a total lack of respect. The Bambers weren't that sort of a family,,,but the relatives certainly were. '

Now where did I put that bucket?.......... >@@(*&)

I don't bother looking at the blue forum anymore as it is mostly rubbish but I recall that " Lookout "  ( male/female ? ) stands out as being particularly lacking in brainpower competing with Grahame for sycophantic devotion to the cause of Jeremy. Comes out with statements like it is a good thing that our Jerry is not vindictive by nature in the context of his impending release so no one need fear retribution. Ha, ha. He has conducted a campaign of hate aimed at all those who stood in his way for the past 27 years.

Yes I agree Dillon,
He/she? seem to invent an inordinate amount of completely implausible nonsense to explain aspects of the case which he cannot explain away in a logical manner. I noticed a port this evening that truly beggared belief in it's utter stupidity and spoke volumes about the intelligence and balanced opinion its author.
I quote......clears throat........
 'don't think for one minute that I'm " blinkered " about this case,,because I'm not. You see,,I remember this case on television and also the newspapers back in 1985. I had made up my mind then that Jeremy wasn't the killer,,,and thinking how easy it was for the police to blame him because he was the only one left out of that immediate family.
I was of the same belief as " Taff " Jones,,the officer leading the enquiry,,that it was a case of 4 murders and a suicide and that was that.
What followed was a complete conspiracy and a means to justify the fact that this case wasn't going to " slip through their fingers " like the Diane Jones murder,which had happened a couple of years before and which the police bungled.
However,,if Jeremy had pleaded guilty,,he'd have been out of prison now,,,so why do you think,,after all these years,he hasn't wanted to.? He knows himself,,that he could possibly have been free,,,but on principle,,because of his continued pleas of innocence,he's chosen to be honest to the point of risking further sentencing. Does this sound like a murderer.?

 8-)(--)
There is one born every minute

[Dillon]

Ian the outlook of "Lookout" is completely lacking in capacity for logical thinking. Probably thought Jeremy was innocent in 1985 because he was good looking and had nice eyes so did not meet Lookout's perception of a brutal killer. There is really no way that you can debate the issues in the case with this sort of idiot ! I can at least understand, for example, those who challenge the veracity of all of Julie Mugford's evidence but although strongly corroborative her evidence is not crucial in determining Bamber's guilt. The no brainer as we all know is the alleged phone call to Jeremy from Nevill and the sheer improbability that Sheila could have been the culprit. Jeremy can be a very deceptive character. I remember way back in late 1985 or maybe early 1986 hearing comments from a prison chaplain who had seen Jeremy in Norwich Prison, thought he was a charming nice guy and could not beleive that he could have been the murderer. In contrast, an experienced prison visitor who also saw him in that period thought that he was the most evil person he had ever met .
Lookout mentions Taff Jones who sadly died falling off a ladder. I do not know much about this detective but I have come across quite a few senior detectives of that era who enjoyed a quick solution to a case so that they could get on with their social life, golf etc. There was a culture of hard drinking in the CID's of many forces at that time . However, I would emphasise that I am not accusing the late Taff Jones of being of that ilk. Simply that this was a culture in which ambitious younger detectives did not challenge the boss and where pragmatic conclusions on guilt were sometimes made and the evidence manipulated to fit.     

[starryian]

Ian the outlook of "Lookout" is completely lacking in capacity for logical thinking. Probably thought Jeremy was innocent in 1985 because he was good looking and had nice eyes so did not meet Lookout's perception of a brutal killer. There is really no way that you can debate the issues in the case with this sort of idiot ! I can at least understand, for example, those who challenge the veracity of all of Julie Mugford's evidence but although strongly corroborative her evidence is not crucial in determining Bamber's guilt. The no brainer as we all know is the alleged phone call to Jeremy from Nevill and the sheer improbability that Sheila could have been the culprit. Jeremy can be a very deceptive character. I remember way back in late 1985 or maybe early 1986 hearing comments from a prison chaplain who had seen Jeremy in Norwich Prison, thought he was a charming nice guy and could not beleive that he could have been the murderer. In contrast, an experienced prison visitor who also saw him in that period thought that he was the most evil person he had ever met .
Lookout mentions Taff Jones who sadly died falling off a ladder. I do not know much about this detective but I have come across quite a few senior detectives of that era who enjoyed a quick solution to a case so that they could get on with their social life, golf etc. There was a culture of hard drinking in the CID's of many forces at that time . However, I would emphasise that I am not accusing the late Taff Jones of being of that ilk. Simply that this was a culture in which ambitious younger detectives did not challenge the boss and where pragmatic conclusions on guilt were sometimes made and the evidence manipulated to fit.     

A very good post Dillon,
Yes I agree that 'Lookout' has lost any sense of reasoning or capacity for logical thought. I am quite staggered at what I found on the blue forum in terms of sheer ignorance and naive vulnerability. Most of the pro-Bamber posters seemed to have one thing in common - the ability to easily conjure-up excuses for Jeremy Bamber's actions or behaviour combined with an innate ability to denigrate or blame the relatives. The party line at TT seems to be just that. Your point about the police is a good one. There was a culture of drinking and general sloppiness in the police at that time. Taff Jones wasn't the most understanding and open of detectives. He was described by Stan Jones  as 'a good copper, but an arrogant one'.
This man's actions often bordered on the darnright negligent. During a police conference to take a fresh look at the evidence and after they arrested Bamber for the first time, Taff Jones listened to the evidence and all the policeman present - apart from him - agreed that Bamber was probably the culprit. Despite the fact that all the evidence now pointed at Bamber being the killer he haughtily announced that 'No, my original theory still stands' Much to the incredulity of the other police present including the CID top brass. He was completely incapable of admitting that he was wrong and would knowingly have let a man get away with mass murder and let an innocent woman be framed in order for him to simply save face.
Stan Jones later said of his namesake ' his hunches were seldom wrong' But he was wrong on this one.
It was through Taff Jones' obduracy and the general ineptitude of the initial police investigation of the case that sweeping changes came into force in the aftermath of the Bamber case in regards to investigating murder cases.

[Joanne]

Peter Tobin who killed Angelika Kluck, Vicky Hamilton and Dinah Mcnicol and attacked many people was said to be charming, even by his ex-wife Margaret. In a way it's their 'job', thats why they're so hard to convict and 'work out', I've heard it said about Harold Shipman too and a lot of people couldn't believe he's mass murdered, so I have no doubt Jeremy Bamber is the same.

[starryian]

Peter Tobin who killed Angelika Kluck, Vicky Hamilton and Dinah Mcnicol and attacked many people was said to be charming, even by his ex-wife Margaret. In a way it's their 'job', thats why they're so hard to convict and 'work out', I've heard it said about Harold Shipman too and a lot of people couldn't believe he's mass murdered, so I have no doubt Jeremy Bamber is the same.

Indeed Joanne,
Jeremy Bamber is, without doubt, a psychopath. These people are often charming and very charismatic. This is why they are so effective in what they do. They lack empathy, sympathy and have absolutely no conscience. They do not have 'sleepless nights' worrying as we often do about our lives. They are devoid of nervous emotions such as anxiety or fretting and can be quite fearless. However, they are also reckless and irresponsible and are highly prone to stimulation and are easily bored. They are incapable of accepting any form of responsibility for their actions and often see other people as 'objects' that they can use and dispose of when they are no longer needed. They are able to do by using superficial charm, glibness and are often highly manipulative. Jeremy Bamber displays many of the keys signs of having a psychopathic disorder. It is estimated that 1 in 22 of the population display some form of psychopathic tendency, but 1 in 100 have full-blown psychopathy. Notable examples of this personality disorder are; Peter Sutcliffe, Dennis Neilsen and Robert Napper to name but a few. I suspect Jeremy Bamber is of this type.