What is the evidence for burglary/murder ?

[Alfred R Jones]

You're moving the goal posts aren't you  ?

The hypothesis we have been presented with is that a burglar murdered Madeleine and took her  dead body away with him   ...   not someone taking a living child away to abuse and murder some time later  (  that would be straight forward abduction  and not the  'burglary gone wrong'   we are being told is behind the digs  )

Can you please provide me the link where Scotland Yard have announced that their hypothesis is that Madeleine died in the apartment.  I have obviously missed that announcement.

[icabodcrane]

Can you please provide me the link where Scotland Yard have announced that their hypothesis is that Madeleine died in the apartment.  I have obviously missed that announcement.

I don't have a link, I'm sorry

Do you think Andy Redwood meant something  other than Madeleine dying in the apartment  when he said ;  "Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive" ?

[Alfred R Jones]

I don't have a link, I'm sorry

Do you think Andy Redwood meant something  other than Madeleine dying in the apartment  when he said ;  "Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive" ?

The operative word there is "may". 

[VIXTE]

It has been claimed that the police are working on the hypothesis that a burglar killed Madeleine and subsequently buried her body

How would that work then  ? 

What scenario could adequately accomodate that presumption ...  and what evidence is there to support it  ?

1. If Madeleine had known the intruder he had to take her with him.. if he wanted to continue living or working in the area of PDL he had to get rid of Madeleine
2. If he accidentally killed her while trying to burglar the apartment again he had to take her with him and hid his act.
3. Even if she was alive he could not have let her go.. leave her in church etc as Kate begged for.. because she'd come to PDL and recognise him..

If you underline all above IMO the person who took Madeleine is a resident of PDL and also is often seen among the visitors of OC..
3.

[Victoria]

That's not how this works on a hunch. They know for certain Smithman was carrying Madeleine away so these are to find clues on where she was taken. Starting from the wasteland where he was coming from past the Smiths onto Rua de 25 Abril and to the church vicinity.

"They know for certain Smithman was carrying Madeleine away" - um...what? I don't think anyone knows that for certain at all.

[Brietta]

Indeed.
So if one line of thought/investigation is that possibly she may not have left the apartment alive what propositions are there for the manner of her death inside the apartment ?

That would entail rather gruesome speculation which I believe has already occurred on less reputable sites.

IMO that is not what this site is about.

[jassi]

"They know for certain Smithman was carrying Madeleine away" - um...what? I don't think anyone knows that for certain at all.

That's right.
However, if Madeleine's body is discovered and found to be wearing pajamas similar to those described by the Smiths, then there would be little doubt.

[sadie]

Indeed.
So if one line of thought/investigation is that possibly she may not have left the apartment alive what propositions are there for the manner of her death inside the apartment ?

Anyone can make propositions about the way someone MAY have died .... but there is NOTHING to indicate death ... except your communal imaginations.

Do you still NOT UNDERSTAND the irrelevance of the dog alerts?  They proved NOTHING



With NOTHING to indicate death, why do you guys keep banging on about it?

Do you get a ghoulish pleasure from it?

[stephen25000]

Anyone can make propositions about the way someone MAY have died .... but there is NOTHING to indicate death ... except your communal imaginations.

Do you still NOT UNDERSTAND the relevance of the dog alerts?  They proved NOTHING



With NOTHING to indicate death, why do you guys keep banging on about it?

Do you get a ghoulish pleasure from it?

The forensics were inconclusive sadie.

We know that.

However, the dogs indicated, and there is nothing else which comes close in this case.

[pathfinder73]

Anyone can make propositions about the way someone MAY have died .... but there is NOTHING to indicate death ... except your communal imaginations.

Do you still NOT UNDERSTAND the relevance of the dog alerts?  They proved NOTHING



With NOTHING to indicate death, why do you guys keep banging on about it?

Do you get a ghoulish pleasure from it?

Eddie solved many cases after he'd alerted for cadaver where missing people were actually found to be deceased. Maybe that would give a normal person a good clue as to what may have happened especially when a child matching Madeleine's description was in a deep sleep (not screaming for her life) and being carried away close to the crime scene and hasn't been seen since that night.

[ferryman]

Anyone can make propositions about the way someone MAY have died .... but there is NOTHING to indicate death ... except your communal imaginations.

Do you still NOT UNDERSTAND the relevance of the dog alerts?  They proved NOTHING



With NOTHING to indicate death, why do you guys keep banging on about it?

Do you get a ghoulish pleasure from it?

You left out two vital letters, Sadie, ir, that should have gone in front of the word relevance ...

[ferryman]

Here's the ironic thing:  if remains are found, DNA might provide the oft-demanded proof of the innocence of the McCanns ...

[slartibartfast]

Anyone can make propositions about the way someone MAY have died .... but there is NOTHING to indicate death ... except your communal imaginations.

Do you still NOT UNDERSTAND the relevance of the dog alerts?  They proved NOTHING



With NOTHING to indicate death, why do you guys keep banging on about it?

Do you get a ghoulish pleasure from it?

You are getting very confused between indicate and prove.

[Carana]

the vast majority of police work is routine and turns up nothing...the idea is that if you investigate enough something will turn up...I think this is a fishing exercise to look for evidence...possibly remains

Well, they'd all look a bit dim if she had, in fact, been dead and buried all that time under their feet without checking.

The Met haven't excluded that she could still be alive, but checking out the possibility that someone (quite possibly on foot) could have buried her nearby needs to be eliminated. A search of what may be a field is hardly comprehensive (if, indeed, the search area reported is correct, which it may not be), but it's a step forward.

My thoughts are with the family. On the one hand, it's constructive as something concrete is happening, yet it must be terribly stressful wondering if your hope that she could still be alive may be dashed.

[sadie]

You left out two vital letters, Sadie, ir, that should have gone in front of the word relevance ...

Thanks Ferryman.  My English is awful.  I knew something was caggy about it, but couldn't put my finger on it.!