Author Topic: So what's next in the libel trial saga?  (Read 313841 times)

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stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1065 on: December 18, 2014, 08:06:20 AM »
That's like saying...someone's going to win...you don't have the conviction to make a prediction

I already have dave.

The mccanns have failed to prove their case for damages.

and all your bluster won't change that.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1066 on: December 18, 2014, 08:10:32 AM »
I already have dave.

The mccanns have failed to prove their case for damages.

and all your bluster won't change that.

Then hopefully we will see who is right and who is wrong after Christmas. The McCanns certainly have proved their case. It would be impossible not to be damaged by a widely sold book that accused you of being a criminal. What is in question is the extent of the damage.

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1067 on: December 18, 2014, 08:22:45 AM »
Then hopefully we will see who is right and who is wrong after Christmas. The McCanns certainly have proved their case. It would be impossible not to be damaged by a widely sold book that accused you of being a criminal. What is in question is the extent of the damage.

The nature of the crime has not yet been determined.

Don't forget that.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1068 on: December 18, 2014, 08:28:23 AM »
The nature of the crime has not yet been determined.

Don't forget that.

that proves libel

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1069 on: December 18, 2014, 08:28:33 AM »
The nature of the crime has not yet been determined.

Don't forget that.
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Completely irrelevant.  If A accuses B of committing a crime, and B has not even been charged, then A is up the creek without a paddle. 

If the nature of the crime has not been determined that actually makes it worse - it means that A is accusing B on the basis of speculation. 


Offline Benice

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1070 on: December 18, 2014, 08:39:13 AM »
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Completely irrelevant.  If A accuses B of committing a crime, and B has not even been charged, then A is up the creek without a paddle. 

If the nature of the crime has not been determined that actually makes it worse - it means that A is accusing B on the basis of speculation.

An excellent point Jean-Pierre.   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1071 on: December 18, 2014, 08:42:41 AM »
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Completely irrelevant.  If A accuses B of committing a crime, and B has not even been charged, then A is up the creek without a paddle. 

If the nature of the crime has not been determined that actually makes it worse - it means that A is accusing B on the basis of speculation.

Tell me jp, what did kate mccann want to happen to Robert Murat ?

What did she base her 'view' on ?

The book was written based upon the available evidence. He was not the only one with that view. he misinterpreted the forensic evidence. 


Abduction remains one scenario.

Accidental death in the apartment remains another, and with all the connotations that implies.

She walked out of the apartment is another.

The book never harmed the search. That is a fallacy.

Many other people share Amaral's view of what happened, so why haven't the mccanns sued them ?

There are two other 'defendents' in the trial.

and of course there is your personal bias in your answer.

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1072 on: December 18, 2014, 08:43:30 AM »
that proves libel

That is not libel dave.

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1073 on: December 18, 2014, 08:44:56 AM »
Tell me jp, what did kate mccann want to happen to Robert Murat ?

What did she base her 'view' on ?

The book was written based upon the available evidence. He was not the only one with that view. he misinterpreted the forensic evidence. 


Abduction remains one scenario.

Accidental death in the apartment remains another, and with all the connotations that implies.

She walked out of the apartment is another.

The book never harmed the search. That is a fallacy.

Many other people share Amaral's view of what happened, so why haven't the mccanns sued them ?

There are two other 'defendents' in the trial.

and of course there is your personal bias in your answer.

So you approve of publication by others of a private diary, do you, Stephen?

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1074 on: December 18, 2014, 08:45:15 AM »
So which is it, then, Stephen?

Madeleine's concealed remains in close proximity to the apartment (falsely attributed to Harrison by Amaral)?

Or the later evolution of Madeleine driven somewhere dead in the Renault scenic?

And on-topic, because these inconsistencies are what ought to bode ill for Amaral in respect of the verdict in the libel trial

Let's see what the judge decides. 8(0(*

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1075 on: December 18, 2014, 08:46:15 AM »
So you approve of publication by others of a private diary, do you, Stephen?

Ask kate mccann.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1076 on: December 18, 2014, 08:49:29 AM »
Tell me jp, what did kate mccann want to happen to Robert Murat ?

What did she base her 'view' on ?

The book was written based upon the available evidence. He was not the only one with that view. he misinterpreted the forensic evidence. 


Abduction remains one scenario.

Accidental death in the apartment remains another, and with all the connotations that implies.

She walked out of the apartment is another.

The book never harmed the search. That is a fallacy.

Many other people share Amaral's view of what happened, so why haven't the mccanns sued them ?

There are two other 'defendents' in the trial.

and of course there is your personal bias in your answer.

Publication of private diary by the NOTW.

The others who "share the view" have, in the most part, not engaged in such an active campaign - books, interiew, documentary, TV shows. 

Bennet was another, btw. 

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1077 on: December 18, 2014, 10:52:08 AM »
the length of time this trial has taken is a poor reflection on the Portuguese justice system and of amaral himself..imo..

however progress seems to have been made and hopefully we will have a judgement early next year. I realise appeals may happen but a positive initial judgement for the mccanns will happen and I think that will be fantastic

I feel a Mandy Rice-Davies paraphrase coming on here  8(>((.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1078 on: December 18, 2014, 10:54:34 AM »
Then hopefully we will see who is right and who is wrong after Christmas. The McCanns certainly have proved their case. It would be impossible not to be damaged by a widely sold book that accused you of being a criminal. What is in question is the extent of the damage.

I thought you posted that it was a flop?
I must be mistaken I frequently am.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #1079 on: December 18, 2014, 10:58:53 AM »
I thought you posted that it was a flop?
I must be mistaken I frequently am.

you are mistaken