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Offline Miss Taken Identity

It's just the lens that is used on the camera and the viewfinder has just cropped out the edge of pool nearest the camera imo...

Oh, thanks Pooks. I posted that before your marked picture was available for me to see. It is still too far away, a pool is in the way, and hey did admit to taking the long way round to check.
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Offline John

What does the sticker note on the patio door say? Doesn't it say to keep locked if unattended?

Absolutely but the resort managers knew there was a history of break-ins so they had a moral responsibility to their guests to reinforce the window message whilst understandably at the same time not creating any sort of alarm.

Given the history at the complex the very least there should have been was some form of security presence and CCTV but alas, commercial considerations and interests were deemed a greater priority over client security.  Mark Warner staff even complained about the strangers in the gardens and hanging about outside in the shadows but still, nothing was done.

A pretty poor show all considered.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 12:42:49 PM by John »
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Offline pathfinder73

Absolutely but the resort managers knew there was a history of break-ins so they had a moral responsibility to their guests to reinforce the window message whilst understandably at the same time not creating any sort of alarm.

Given the history at the complex the very least there should have been was some form of security presence and CCTV but alas, commercial considerations were deemed a greater priority over client security.  Mark Warner staff even complained about the strangers in the gardens and hanging about outside in the shadows but still, nothing was done.

These are supposed to be intelligent doctors who were in their late 30s. Doctors should know about not leaving young children unattended and especially in an unlocked apartment. Don't they go through any training. They took the risk. No other couple left their patio door unlocked.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

MW  Provided baby sitting service. They could have taken the children with them out for dinner- as we as a family always do. Security would have been no better than the families checking..
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Offline jassi

I don't think that having the children with them for more than an hour or two a day was part of their holiday concept.
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Offline slartibartfast

I don't think that having the children with them for more than an hour or two a day was part of their holiday concept.

Unfortunately it does appear to be the case.  8(8-))
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Unfortunately it does appear to be the case.  8(8-))

A family holiday, does not mean, offloading them onto strangers in the creche.


........and how could you trust strangers ?


After all, you don't know who they are. 8(0(*

Offline Alice Purjorick

A family holiday, does not mean, offloading them onto strangers in the creche.


........and how could you trust strangers ?


After all, you don't know who they are. 8(0(*

One would hope that Mark Warner had carried out background checks on staff. Not that that is any great shakes. Dodgy people tend to hide their intentions rather than hide themselves.
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Offline sadie

These are supposed to be intelligent doctors who were in their late 30s. Doctors should know about not leaving young children unattended and especially in an unlocked apartment. Don't they go through any training. They took the risk. No other couple left their patio door unlocked.
None of the other couples left their patio door unlocked.

Why?

Because none of them had a street light shining directly on their patio.  They were in datkess, the Mccanns were in light
Also they all had to walk along a dark unlit alleyway for varying distances and then go thru dark back gardens and up unlit steps.

The Mccanns situation was different.  they had the security of light. at the back of their apartment whilsh having an extremely dark hidden bogey hole  for their front entrance

The rest of the group also had a lit hallway or landing for their front doors


Doesn't need rocket science to see why the Mccanns chose to use their well lit rear patio doors whilst the rest chose their well lit front doors. 

stephen25000

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None of the other couples left their patio door unlocked.

Why?

Because none of them had a street light shining directly on their patio.  They were in datkess, the Mccanns were in light
Also they all had to walk along a dark unlit alleyway for varying distances and then go thru dark back gardens and up unlit steps.

The Mccanns situation was different.  they had the security of light. at the back of their apartment whilsh having an extremely dark hidden bogey hole  for their front entrance

The rest of the group also had a lit hallway or landing for their front doors


Doesn't need rocket science to see why the Mccanns chose to use their well lit rear patio doors whilst the rest chose their well lit front doors. 

So having a 'light' on is an excuse for not locking a door. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 04:36:01 PM by Eleanor »

Offline Alice Purjorick

So having a 'light' on is an excuse for not locking a door. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+

In all the chat on the thread about why didn't Gerald and Jeremy see Jane we were lead to believe the street lights should more accurately be described as "darks".  8(>((
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Offline pathfinder73

None of the other couples left their patio door unlocked.

Why?

Because none of them had a street light shining directly on their patio.  They were in datkess, the Mccanns were in light
Also they all had to walk along a dark unlit alleyway for varying distances and then go thru dark back gardens and up unlit steps.

The Mccanns situation was different.  they had the security of light. at the back of their apartment whilsh having an extremely dark hidden bogey hole  for their front entrance

The rest of the group also had a lit hallway or landing for their front doors


Doesn't need rocket science to see why the Mccanns chose to use their well lit rear patio doors whilst the rest chose their well lit front doors.

 Everyone else had to go the long way and walk through the car park to check on their children. Why? Because they locked the patio door. Neglect charges are nothing in the grand scheme of things.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 04:56:09 PM by Eleanor »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Everyone else had to go the long way and walk through the car park to check on their children. Why? Because they locked the patio door. Neglect charges are nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Yep, they locked their patio doors because they had to negotiate a dark unlit alleyway, garden and steps up to get to their patio doors.   
Also their patio doors were vulnerable to burglary cos they were in the dark with no-one passing by..

The Mccanns patio entrance, to the contrary, was well lit and clearly visible to the Tapas restaurant.  Also people walked past ... and the patio area could be seen from a number of villas, behind the little car park + the ones right opposite opposite

Offline pathfinder73

Yep, they locked their patio doors because they had to negotiate a dark unlit alleyway, garden and steps up to get to their patio doors.   
Also their patio doors were vulnerable to burglary cos they were in the dark with no-one passing by..

The Mccanns patio entrance, to the contrary, was well lit and clearly visible to the Tapas restaurant.  Also people walked past ... and the patio area could be seen from a number of villas, behind the little car park + the ones right opposite opposite

BS they locked up because their children were inside.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

In all the chat on the thread about why didn't Gerald and Jeremy see Jane we were lead to believe the street lights should more accurately be described as "darks".  8(>((

When the Carpenter family left the tapas restaurant which was shortly after Jane passed the two men in the street and before the alarm was raised, there were vehicles parked in the street.
 
SC mentions in his rogatory statement that he had difficulty crossing the road as his vision was blocked by them.

Unfortunately the CCTV situated at the supermarket, which would have covered that area, was not working ... or all might have been revealed.

Similarly if there had been CCTV in the tapas restaurant as there was in the Millennium restaurant there would have been no problem with timelines and the police could have directed their exertions elsewhere when that was established.

However, I presume that anyone whether abductor or burglar would have been aware of security measures in place and how to avoid being captured on CCTV where it was in operation. 

Perhaps MW should have investigated installation as a security measure given the spread out nature of the resort and the fact it was not ‘self contained’.
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