Mark Warner Holidays and Ocean Club Resorts had a duty of care towards their guests.

[sadie]

In all the chat on the thread about why didn't Gerald and Jeremy see Jane we were lead to believe the street lights should more accurately be described as "darks". 

The head of the street lamp immediately opposite was virtually the same height as the arched window at the street side of the patio area to 5a ensuring that it was bathed in a fair light.  Against the darkness anyone would be spotted going in there to the sitting room.

[sadie]

Here is the actual picture from the documentary. They state the tapas bar but from this I believe they mean restaurant and bar. As in the next sentence the guy say it is more or less from the table they were sitting at.



Sadie makes a point that they are too far over - perhaps... looking at the maps and the location of the resturant this does not seem that wrong to me...

Tapas restaurant and bar including table location:

It is totally wrong your Lordship  .     Totally the wrong angle and double the distance.  Imo it amounts to fraud to have taken the photo from as far away as possible and at completely the wrong angle.  Disinformation ?designed to undermine The Mccanns ... or was it accidental?    I think not, but if not then the man did not use his brain.



Sorry to bring this old photo out, but it illustrates the true position much better

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/notwviewfrompatio.jpg


Taken from outside the patio windows of 5A.

immediately to the rear of the pool is the tapas restaurant.  The building with the big windows.  When we were there we sat in the LH window.  The Mccann group sat in the RH window.

At the time, on May 3rd, the bushes had been freshly trimmed as can be seen from contemporaraqy photos.  Here the bushes have grown somewhat so on this photo, the view from the Tapas is not anything like as good as the Mccanns had on the night of May 3rd.

As I said before, the photo in that gawd awful deceptive Dispatches program are a falsification of facts.  Propaganda.


It is time that the police started sorting the lies out on the internet and prosecuting the perpetrators.



Btw, John.  I see that you have now increased the viewing distance, Tapas group to patio windows from a little over 50 mertres to 60 metres.  You must have made a mistake.

Anyone can check it so easily on GE.

[lordpookles]

Thanks for the pic. Yeah I think I agree it seems to be further over. It' was unfortunate in the documentary that they could not gain access to that restaurant and the detectives in the doc make reference to umbrellas/bushes etc which could affect the view. It's interesting because an abductor could still be concealed if he was to sneak in crouched down and perhaps only exposed for a moment when he goes in the patio doors. If it was an abduction - 2 or more people involved makes sense imo. For instance you would open the window and pass the child through to someone outside and go out the front door perhaps...

BTW I think the documentary on the whole was good. seems like some veteran detectives/experts running through a few possible theories and bear in the mind the time it was made...

[sadie]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/notwviewfrompatio.jpg


(Taken from outside the patio windows of 5A.

immediately to the rear of the pool is the tapas restaurant.  The building with the big windows.  When we were there we sat in the LH window.  The Mccann group sat in the RH window.

At the time, on May 3rd, the bushes had been freshly trimmed as can be seen from contemporary photos.  Here the bushes have grown somewhat so on this photo, the view from the Tapas is not anything like as good as the Mccanns had on the night of May 3rd.)



The spot that the controversial photograph of 5A was taken from, Lord P, is so far to the right, that it not even on the picture above.  It is right off picture and gives a totally incorrect view .... disinformation   It was taken from the very extremity of the garden ... as far away as possible.
The same is true of virtually every photo published in that they give false information to the detriment of The Mccanns.  All are taken from a totally different angle to that of the real situation.

The Mccanns have been hung drawn and quartered because of disinformation such as this
... and lies about how far they were away from their apartment. 
Lies that they were drunk. 
Lies that they were eating at a restaurant in town every night, 200 + metres away
Lies that they never checked the children
etc etc.

We have all read that they were 150 metres ... or even 250 metres away.  They weren't . 

They were just a midgin over 50 metres away from 5A Patrio windows which they could see, and in a place that corresponded to their back garden.  This can be checked on GE.    It was very like eating in my own back garden, which was almost exactly 50 metres long.

As fort 5A, I have been there and tested it.  Sorry, but I know.

By foot, they were less than 80 metres away.


We have all read that they were drunk every night.  They were NOT.   
The waiters statements make it clear that is totally untrue. 
They did NOT go for a drinking bout. 
They went for their evening meal

Despite the alcohol being free, they did NOT get drunk.  That is verified by waiters statements.



JUST WHO has organised this colossal amount of disinformation, I wonder?
.....cos it has been ruining the Mccanns Rights to Justice.



John is right. 
Ocean Club does have a Duty of Care.  Surely that Duty should include pointing out all the lies and disinformation that had been put about ... or did they just not care?  They must have known. 

Have they just paid lip service to supporting the Mccanns?    But looking after their own 'good name' was more important?

Easier to have the guests blamed for what happened than admit that OC was badly affected by burglars breaking in?



The photographs shown in the Dispatches video are so wrong that they should NEVER see the light of day again ... and the man promoting the lies should be questioned as to his motives IMO.

[Alice Purjorick]

The head of the street lamp immediately opposite was virtually the same height as the arched window at the street side of the patio area to 5a ensuring that it was bathed in a fair light.  Against the darkness anyone would be spotted going in there to the sitting room.

So if there were an abductor he wouldn't have gained access that way because of the risk of being spotted?

[sadie]

So if there were an abductor he wouldn't have gained access that way because of the risk of being spotted?

Imo and in Amarals oponion, both, no abductor would have gone in via the main patio windows at the back.  Too well illuminated and overlooked by the Mccann group.. 

Also with a light on in the room, the moment the curtains were drawn back a little for entrance a rectangualr shaft of light would have shown outside.  There was a lamp on inside the sitting room that was strong enough for Matt to read the titles of books there that he was interested in.  See his statements.

The perp would have been silouhetted against that light as well as he entered, if he went in via the main patio windows.

Almost without doubt, he enterd by the dark recessed out of sight front door.  The only other possibility is via the parents bedroom patio door.  If that were the case, then imo, the maintenenace men should be looked at to rule them out.  Cos if that were the case, unless the Mccanns had left the door open for ventilation, then it had to have been left unlocked by someone.


IIRC the maintenance men were working on it that day.

[pegasus]

I would like to know what the second safety sticker on the lounge balcony door said.
Is it possible it was was about locking all doors and windows before leaving the apartment unattended?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Since Team McCann have blamed everyone but themselves for their daughters demise(whatever that was/is) I feel we should also move onto blaming someone else: The owner of the Apartment. If the apartment was used as a paedophile hidey hole- the target of gangs of burglars/gypsies, and or swathey types, then He/she should have notified Warner  and the McCanns.  So, there you have it.... lets get hating... (tuts).. but oh wait..  did some one mention there were 'stickers on doors about safety?

[sadie]

Since Team McCann have blamed everyone but themselves for their daughters demise(whatever that was/is) I feel we should also move onto blaming someone else: The owner of the Apartment. If the apartment was used as a paedophile hidey hole- the target of gangs of burglars/gypsies, and or swathey types, then He/she should have notified Warner  and the McCanns.  So, there you have it.... lets get hating... (tuts).. but oh wait..  did some one mention there were 'stickers on doors about safety?

What a strange post MissTaken

[TitoMuzzy]

What a strange post MissTaken

Pot, kettle, black !!!

[sadie]

Pot, kettle, black !!!

I have my opinion of you too 

But I shall refrain from sharing it.

[pegasus]

IMO the so-called "expert opinion" ;) of certain so-called "experts" who flew out to PDL was less than constructive.

[sadie]

IMO the so-called "expert opinion" ;) of certain so-called "experts" who flew out to PDL was less than constructive.

I have no idea why you have seen fit, pegasus, to have a go at me, unless you are joining the "mob" ?


If you had taken the care to view the dispatches video, then you would have seen that the "so-called experts [as YOU call them] were not allowed into the Tapas area.  I repeat that

The experts were NOT allowed into the Tapas area.  They were turned away.  I wonder why ?

They were shown a photo by a media person who told them that it weas virtually the same view as the one the Tapas group had.   They appeared to believe this disinformation.

Yet, that photo that was from entirely the wrong angle and gave totally the wrong view of the Tapas groups view of 5A. 


It was form the wrong angle giving a false impression and also taken from roughly twice the distance away.



Do you, Pegasus, think this fair?

[pegasus]

Sadie the text was not referring to you and was not referring to the dispatches experts, I was talking about some of the (non-police) experts who were flown out in the first days, quoted straight from KM's excellent book.

[sadie]

Sadie the text was not referring to you and was not referring to the dispatches experts, I was talking about some of the (non-police) experts who were flown out in the first days, quoted straight from KM's excellent book.

Thank you pegasus.

I didn't think you could have joined the mob tbh.