Author Topic: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?  (Read 23442 times)

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2014, 07:45:31 PM »
In Portugal, no one can obtain a DNA sample without a court order.

DNA samples in the UK are by consent or by court order. I believe the police may take one compulsorily from suspects who are about to be arrested for serious crime. They certainly cannot be taken willy nilly.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2014, 07:47:20 PM »
Welcome.

Which word in Portuguese was translated as "rummaging"?

Thank you.
I do not know which word was used in Portuguese. I was going only on the translated document on the net.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2014, 07:48:47 PM »
DNA samples in the UK are by consent or by court order. I believe the police may take one compulsorily from suspects who are about to be arrested for serious crime. They certainly cannot be taken willy nilly.

they are taken from everyone who is arrested..not just serious crimes

Offline jassi

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2014, 07:49:28 PM »
DNA samples in the UK are by consent or by court order. I believe the police may take one compulsorily from suspects who are about to be arrested for serious crime. They certainly cannot be taken willy nilly.

I was under the impression that in UK, a DNA sample can be taken from anyone who has been arrested on suspicion of almost anything.
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Offline Carana

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2014, 07:49:54 PM »
In Portugal, no one can obtain a DNA sample without a court order.

I don't understand your point. What are you referring to?

Ah. Sorry, this one quote rule on here doesn't always make it easy to follow.

My post was:

a. A reference DNA sample is not normally sought from a crime scene, Carly.

b. The PJ didn't ask for it to even check on anyone else's potential DNA.


What court orders were requested?

« Last Edit: July 11, 2014, 09:16:16 PM by Carana »

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2014, 07:57:39 PM »
Since April 2004, the police in England and Wales have been able to take DNA samples without consent from anyone arrested on suspicion of any recordable offence.

My point about taking DNA samples willy nilly stands
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Offline Montclair

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2014, 08:01:52 PM »
I don't understand your point. What are you referring to?

I was answering your post of 7h10.

Offline pegasus

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2014, 08:06:21 PM »
the word rummaged was not in the archiving report...it was in portuguese
The actual words used are "devassado" and "devassa".
« Last Edit: July 11, 2014, 08:14:50 PM by pegasus »

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Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2014, 08:21:19 PM »
I don't have a son.
Is that the best answer you could come up with?  Pitiful.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2014, 08:41:04 PM »

I understood that The McCanns did keep people out of the bedroom.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2014, 08:44:22 PM »
the word rummaged was not in the archiving report...it was in portuguese

Had you read my posts properly you would have realised I had conceded that; possibly.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2014, 08:46:33 PM »
Had you read my posts properly you would have realised I had conceded that; possibly.

it isn't a possibility ...its a certainty

Offline pegasus

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2014, 09:04:42 PM »
At least the PJ did, within a few hours of the apparant disappearance, move the family out to alternative accommodation. That was a good move, wasn't it? Not every police force would have taken that measure.


Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2014, 09:28:40 PM »
Is that the best answer you could come up with?  Pitiful.

I just dont, so if I came home, found my daughter had been stabbed & had a big old knife sticking out of her chest... obviously I wouldn't phone an ambulance for at least 40 mins, I don't think.
Infact I probably wouldn't do it myself anyways, I reckon I'd probably faff around with the knife for a bit & just let someone else do it, even though I had known straight away she'd err got a big knife stickin out 'er chest, y'know.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Could more have been done to preserve a potential crime scene?
« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2014, 09:39:51 PM »
I just dont, so if I came home, found my daughter had been stabbed & had a big old knife sticking out of her chest... obviously I wouldn't phone an ambulance for at least 40 mins, I don't think.
Infact I probably wouldn't do it myself anyways, I reckon I'd probably faff around with the knife for a bit & just let someone else do it, even though I had known straight away she'd err got a big knife stickin out 'er chest, y'know.
Predictably pathetic reply.  Of course, if you found your child gravely injured your first thought would be to secure the crime scene, come on now, be honest!