The Smith sighting revisited.

[Wonderfulspam]

Aofie's says around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes. The other 2 say 2100. Obviously you didn't want to read that bit as its a contradiction.
You seem to like Aofie's cos it fits what you want to.
On the contrary I do like the Smith sighting

Only the time that they left is important.

They're all agreed on around what time that was.

And no, you're a bundleman fan.

[DCI]

Only the time that they left is important.

They're all agreed on around what time that was.

And no, you're a bundleman fan.

Why is it? That's another 30 minutes drinking time.

Am I?

[Brietta]

An excellent analysis Alice. Good that you have used the restaurant credit card transaction to estimate the time of the Smith sighting.
But I would point out that open carrying in arms never occurs in cases of abduction (nor in cases of occultation).
Never.
The bizarre thing is that all versions of both types of theory are fixated upon a transportation method which never, never happens.
Do the last time of known visual sighting (approx 21.05), combined with scientific considerations, indicate that the time of exit was at minimum 22.30, or later?

It is an offence which is covered by law ... so I am not sure your analogy is the correct one.

So called stranger abduction is remarkably rare ... in those cases where the abduction of a child from bed and the child and abductor vanish without trace ... who is to say what the method of escape was.

Unless the very young child groggy with sleep and not drugged walks hand in hand with the perp ... it stands to reason he\she will be carried particularly if drugged; a baby will be carried.

Before transfer to a vehicle it is highly likely a child will be walked or carried.

Just because this is not witnessed ... it does not mean it doesn't happen ... and that applies to children who vanish without trace from areas where they have been playing.

In Scotland, Sandy Davidson was walked away.
In England James Bulger was walked away.

I do not think it is possible to state categorically that an abductor would not be seen carrying a child, particularly if that was in close proximity to where the child had been abducted from.


>>quote<<
Kidnapping is an offence under the common law of England and Wales.

In R v D,[1] Lord Brandon said:

    First, the nature of the offence is an attack on, and infringement of, the personal liberty of an individual. Secondly, the offence contains four ingredients as follows: (1) the taking or carrying away of one person by another; (2) by force or fraud; (3) without the consent of the person so taken or carried away; and (4) without lawful excuse.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping

[pathfinder73]

Seems Peter and Martin again contradict Aofie's statement.

Peter Smith

— He would like to clarify that on the 3rd of May, he and his family went to the Dolphin restaurant, situated in Praia da Luz, where they dined. Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and went to Kelly's Bar, about one minute away on foot. In Kelly's Bar (he does not remember the name of the street it is on) they had a few drinks, having left from there around 21H50/22H00.

Martin Smith

— Concerning the facts under investigation, on the 3rd of May, he went with his family to the Dolphin restaurant in Praia da Luz where they dined. Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and headed toward 'Kelly's Bar'; about a 50 metre distance from the restaurant, following the path, as it is very short. The walk took him a few minutes. In 'Kelly's Bar' they consumed some drinks. They left that establishment around 21H55 as his son would be travelling very early the next day. This bar is located on Calheta Street.


Is a 12 year old a reliable witness? Why wasn't the 13 year old asked to give a statement?
Would be interesting to know where the other 6 were walking in comparison to the above.

Well they are completely wrong aren't they? How can you leave dolphin restaurant at 9 when the receipt was 9:27? Sober Aoife was the only one correct on times.

[DCI]

Well they are completely wrong aren't they? How can you leave dolphin restaurant at 9 when the receipt was 9:27? Aoife was the only one correct on times.

Maybe, but Itis still a contradiction, or is it a mistranslation?
Do you have a link to the Dolphin receipt?

[pathfinder73]

Maybe, but Itis still a contradiction, or is it a mistranslation?
Do you have a link to the Dolphin receipt?

Source TOTL.

"The credit card receipt was clocked at 9.27 p.m. on the 3rd of May 2007."

[Brietta]

Maybe, but Itis still a contradiction, or is it a mistranslation?
Do you have a link to the Dolphin receipt?

There is an image of the receipt in Dr Amaral's documentary.

I haven't seen one in the files.

[Alice Purjorick]

Only the time that they left is important.

They're all agreed on around what time that was.

And no, you're a bundleman fan.

Persactly; however it is now imperative to grease Smithman or make out he is neither fish nor fowl nor good red herring (by trashing the Smith family) such that then we can say that the Tanner sighting is still kosher and the guy who SY accounted for is someone else. Original story still intact.
Simples! (which is precisely what one would need to be to swallow that idea)

[Carana]

There is an image of the receipt in Dr Amaral's documentary.

I haven't seen one in the files.

The name of the booking doesn't seem to be legible, but there was a group of 9 at Dolphin's that evening and the card receipt shows 21. 27

12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3256 - 3258

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ADRIAAN_MARAIOS.htm

[Carana]

Aofie's says around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes. The other 2 say 2100. Obviously you didn't want to read that bit as its a contradiction.
You seem to like Aofie's cos it fits what you want to.
On the contrary I do like the Smith sighting

If what I posted just further up is correct, the Dolphin's receipt says 21.27 (assuming that this was the party of 9).

[Brietta]

The name of the booking doesn't seem to be legible, but there was a group of 9 at Dolphin's that evening and the card receipt shows 21. 27

12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3256 - 3258

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ADRIAAN_MARAIOS.htm

I can't make that out, Carana.

The image I have from Dr A's documentary is illegible too.

[pathfinder73]

There is an image of the receipt in Dr Amaral's documentary.

I haven't seen one in the files.

It is in the files. 9.27 3 May so Amaral isn't lying nor Aoife.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ADRIAAN_MARAIOS.htm



Table for 9 Smith - Thursday 3 May



Bill breakdown - 5 Cola - Sober Aoife and children drinking coca cola

[Carana]

[pegasus]

Kelly Bar till records:
(before 8.52 omitted)
8.52 1.50
9.39 13.75
9.46 8.00
9.49 8.00
9.50 5.00
10.16 8.00
10.24 4.00
10.28 3.00
10.29 1.25
10.31 5.75
10.47 1.00
10.53 16.50
(after 11.00 omitted)

Please check for yourself that whether I got these records right.
It can be deduced that the 9.39 record must be the Smith party.
Possibly one or more of the following records are theirs also?
Also it is obvious that drinks are paid for when ordering (not when leaving).
So we have the group being served drinks at exactly 9.39.

[pathfinder73]

Kelly Bar till records:
(before 8.52 omitted)
8.52 1.50
9.39 13.75
9.46 8.00
9.49 8.00
9.50 5.00
10.16 8.00
10.24 4.00
10.28 3.00
10.29 1.25
10.31 5.75
10.47 1.00
10.53 16.50
(after 11.00 omitted)

Please check for yourself that whether I got these records right.
It can be deduced that the 9.39 record must be the Smith party.
Possibly one or more of the following records are theirs also?
Also it is obvious that drinks are paid for when ordering (not when leaving).
So we have the group being served drinks at exactly 9.39.

Yes agreed. 9:39 paying for one round of drinks. 5 children colas cost around 6 Euros + 4 adult beverages = total 13.75