The Smith sighting revisited.

[ferryman]

Connect the two sightings to totally rule somebody out of being Smithman. I know why that book was written. That is their version covering all discrepancies and angles years after the fact.

"I long ago stopped trying to come up with answers because I don’t think I need to."  &%+((£ Really?

Now there is a classic (and objectionable) example of quoting out of context.

Kate doesn't feel she needs to justify her feeling that Jane and the Smiths saw the same man.

Nor should she (have to feel that need).

[pathfinder73]

Now there is a classic (and objectionable) example of quoting out of context.

Kate doesn't feel she needs to justify her feeling that Jane and the Smiths saw the same man.

Nor should she (have to feel that need).

It wasn't the same man - they were both going in opposite directions and 45 minutes apart but only 250 metres away. Was he walking in circles for 45 minutes with a missing child. Don't be daft!

[ferryman]

It wasn't the same man - they were both going in opposite directions and 45 minutes apart but only 250 metres away. Was he walking in circles for 45 minutes with a missing child. Don't be daft!

An assumption based on incomplete facts.

Only when all the facts are known will say for certain whether Kate is right or wrong.

In the interim, Kate is fully entitled to her view.

[pathfinder73]

An assumption based on incomplete facts.

Only when all the facts are known will say for certain whether Kate is right or wrong.

In the interim, Kate is fully entitled to her view.

She is entitled to her view but the sightings don't match.

[John]

What salient facts do you feel Kate omitted?

Lots actually.  These were supposed to be the money sightings yet provenance was given to one sighting over the other 45 minutes later.  Oakley produced e-fits in conjunction with the Smith family in late 2007 yet weren't included in the book published in May 2012. 

Why produced them in the first place if they weren't going to be used?  Surely the claim of leaving no stone unturned is rendered quite meaningless by not doing so?

[misty]

Lots actually.  These were supposed to be the money sightings yet provenance was given to one sighting over the other 45 minutes later.  Oakley produced e-fits in conjunction with the Smith family in late 2007 yet weren't included in the book published in May 2012. 

Why produced them in the first place if they weren't going to be used?

How could Kate introduce e-fits, which never formed part of the shelved investigation, into the public domain via her book without compromising the Smiths?

[pathfinder73]

How could Kate introduce e-fits, which never formed part of the shelved investigation, into the public domain via her book without compromising the Smiths?

Finding Madeleine should be the number one priority not the Smiths 

[misty]

Finding Madeleine should be the number one priority not the Smiths 

The 3 members of the Smith family, through statements to the PJ & in various media interviews, all stated that they wouldn't be able to identify the man they saw. By then producing efits at a late stage for the McCanns PI's, they  technically lied to the PJ. How do you think their witness testimony would stand up in court, should a man be tried based solely on their eye-witness accounts and efits contained in a book written by one of the arguidos?

[Anna]

Finding Madeleine should be the number one priority not the Smiths 

If it was who JT saw and he was stuck for escape. He would have doubled around and taken some secluded paths unknown to us. such as

[pathfinder73]

The 3 members of the Smith family, through statements to the PJ & in various media interviews, all stated that they wouldn't be able to identify the man they saw. By then producing efits at a late stage for the McCanns PI's, they  technically lied to the PJ. How do you think their witness testimony would stand up in court, should a man be tried based solely on their eye-witness accounts and efits contained in a book written by one of the arguidos?

But Aoife said she saw his face. Maybe they tried to help her to remember.

[Brietta]

Lots actually.  These were supposed to be the money sightings yet provenance was given to one sighting over the other 45 minutes later.  Oakley produced e-fits in conjunction with the Smith family in late 2007 yet weren't included in the book published in May 2012. 

Why produced them in the first place if they weren't going to be used?  Surely the claim of leaving no stone unturned is rendered quite meaningless by not doing so?

Why didn’t the official police investigation ask the Smiths to help with efits when they returned to Portugal to make their statements on 26th May? 

Brian Kennedy did in September 2007 and was refused. I don’t think the efits were produced until late 2008 when the case had been archived.

[Benice]

I find it remarkable that not once did Kate McCann mention the Smith family by name.  Smith is referred to as the holiday maker from Ireland or the Irish family.  The description relating to Smithman was only included in a table showing the Tanner and Smith sightings side by side.

What is even more remarkable is that although an artists impression of Tannerman was included, the e-fits relating to Smithman were withheld.

 

I think Kate not mentioning the Smith family by name may possibly have been at the behest of Martin Smith.   IMO  he seems keen to protect his family from getting dragged into the media circus.    IIRC the same thing happened in the Crimewatch programme - where 'a family from Ireland' ( or words to that effect) were used - and no actual names given.   Maybe that was at his request too?

[pathfinder73]

If it was who JT saw and he was stuck for escape. He would have doubled around and taken some secluded paths unknown to us. such as

He was going in the wrong direction but because he was heading towards Murat's they thought it was him and Jane confirmed he had the same walk as the man she saw. An abductor would go away from where they were not towards them on the route they used to check.

[misty]

But Aoife said she saw his face. Maybe they tried to help her to remember.

But Aoife withheld that information from the PJ while the investigation was still live in Portugal, choosing instead to produce an e-fit for an agency working for one of the arguidos,

[John]

How could Kate introduce e-fits, which never formed part of the shelved investigation, into the public domain via her book without compromising the Smiths?

It goes without saying that the Smiths would have expected their e-fits to be put into the public domain but they were suppressed for nearly two years before being released to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police or so we are led to believe.  It seems bizarre that it took another two years before SY were able to acquire them along with Oakley's suppressed Report which again we are led to believe was highly critical of the McCanns.  A Report which by the way remains suppressed to the public because of the damage it could still do.