Ban the burqua?

[Tim Invictus]

France has banned the wearing of the burqua in public. Do you think Britain should do the same?

The bin bag outfit has been used for a number of robberies and a male terror suspect escaped surveillance by leaving a mosque in a woman's burqua. There have been many other instances where identification has been impossible because of this muslim gard

I am undecided on this matter although I find the binbag dress highly anti-social and somewhat sinister. What do you think?

Here is a good example: of how the burqua can be a huge problen:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0yPmWLAOnp8

[John]

It's very simple, we have traditions and rules in this country built up over a millennium so if foreigners don't like it they know where they can go.

[Holly Goodhead]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/7896472/Michael-Nazir-Ali-Burkas-should-not-be-worn-where-it-compromises-safety.html?mobile=basic

"This must also be so where a high degree of social interaction is required. Stephen Timms, the former Labour minister, has recently been stabbed by a woman in a burka who had come to his constituency surgery"

Remember Stephen Timms?  The above is an extract from the link.

Do Muslim women REALLY want to wear the Burka?  Seems to me that it's a male control thing ie attempting to suppress sexuality?  Whose sexuality men's or women's or both?   

What do they wear underneath?  I've been surprised to find Muslim women in burkas thumbing through racks looking at fashionable clothing in High St chains.  Also make-up etc.  Think it's a case of 'for your eyes only'!?

Brill vids by Sam Harris:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3e7QkP4F20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h5L1Js9ex4

[Andrea]

The man who killed PC Sharon Beshenevsky -spelling?-
Escaped the country in a Burqua.

[Holly Goodhead]

The man who killed PC Sharon Beshenevsky -spelling?-
Escaped the country in a Burqua.

Well remembered.  Sad to say I had forgotten that case.  Not the actual murder but the fact he fled in a burka but remembered when you said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1537414/Murder-suspect-fled-under-Muslim-veil.html

[Eleanor]

I think the burqua should be banned for health reason, if for nothing else.  A huge number of them must have rickets due to lack of vitamin C from sunlight.

[Tim Invictus]

Good point Eleanor.

The whole premise of the burqua is backward thinking in itself imho. Women are supposef to cover themselves from head to toe because according to the Quoran men are NOT responsible for controlling their sexual attraction to women and basically it's the woman's fault if she gets sexually attacked/raped if she allowed any part of her body to attract the male! How fycking ridiculous is that!

It is this medievil mindset in Islam that encourages grooming and raping of 'western' girls because they are equal and no one wants them dressed up in binliners because men aren't responsible for their actions!

Just one more disgusting aspect of the Quoran! Just like the open call for muslim men to kill all jews and gays! And before I get called racist yet again the accuser might want to check the facts of what I have said!

[Eleanor]

It caused a bit of a to do in France when they banned them, but only among Muslims.  Everyone else thought it was a good idea for any number of reasons.
And France is locking them up if they persistently offend.

Oh, and the husbands are expected to pay any fines for any number of wives that they might have.

[Brietta]

I think all attire which covers a woman from head to toe is an affront. 

It is easy to dress modestly without draping yourself in a shroud but I don’t think it is about that. 

Nor do I think it is about religion.

I think it is a statement being made; an opinion which I base on the number of women who adopted it immediately after 911.

[Tim Invictus]

I have been living in Luxembourg and the burqua isn't banned here. In 5 years I have never seen the classic black bin liner burqua and very rarely the muslim head scarf. On my last transit through Heathrow I saw dozens!

[Holly Goodhead]

I think all attire which covers a woman from head to toe is an affront. 

It is easy to dress modestly without draping yourself in a shroud but I don’t think it is about that. 

Nor do I think it is about religion.

I think it is a statement being made; an opinion which I base on the number of women who adopted it immediately after 911.

Good points.

I think in some instances it is worn to intimidate and antagonise rather than religious observance.  I would liken this to the Orange order marches in NI which imo are carried out, in part, to incite.

Muslim men wear robes (don't know the name) but no face covering and the outfits are not all black.  I bet they get through a lot of Daz in Saudi Arabia - their robes always look so white    What's the significance if anything of the colours.  Burkas seem to come in black or a medium blue. 

It is natural to mistrust another when the face is hidden especially in a secular country.  Organisations spend millions on training in body language/facial expressions to improve communication.

Bluewater shopping centre in Kent banned the wearing of hoodies as it was seen as threatening/intimidating so I don't see why it is necessary to pussy foot around with the burka.

[Tim Invictus]

Top posting there Holly and remarkably brief and to the point .... for you!

[sika]

I don't consider it to be any of my business, what someone chooses to wear. 

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't consider it to be any of my business, what someone chooses to wear.

It would be pretty weird if we had laws saying what people can and can't wear.  Who decides and who would police it?   But I'm not altogether comfortable with the covering of the face.  There are different types of female Muslim attire and the burka and niqab just seem extreme.  I would think that those who are UK based and wear the burka and niqab for strictly religious reasons probably find living in a secular country difficult and incompatible with their faith.  In which case they might be happier relocating to a Muslim country 

If I was living in a Muslim country, especially a strict one, I would not expect to wear Western summer clothing and for example drink alcohol freely and  with a man wearing robes, listen to music and strut my stuff on the dance floor.  Needless to say I wouldn't live there 

When I look at the burka and niqab below it just doesn't seem right  &%+((£