Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?

[Caroline]

I don't understand why lay people want to label JB a psychopath when the likes of Prof Egan have undertaken a formal assessment of JB and found no case for even "mild psychopathy". 

http://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/

The fact JB has not been formally diagnosed with any mental illness or psychopathy doesn't make him innocent.  No more than passing a lie detector test does.   

We haven't seen all 27 test results but I can't imagine a situation where Prof Egan would not have looked through JB's entire prison file, including previous assessments, to make the comments he has.

That's really quite simply and it comes from whether you believe he is innocent or guilty. An innocent Jeremy Bamber probably wouldn't be a psychopath, a guilty one (however) most certainly would be. Not only did he kill his entire family (including two sleeping six year olds), but he has never taken responsibility and chooses instead, to play he victim of a MOJ. The PCL-R is not an accurate measure of psychopathy anyway https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18693491

[Nicholas]

That's really quite simply and it comes from whether you believe he is innocent or guilty. An innocent Jeremy Bamber probably wouldn't be a psychopath, a guilty on (however) most certainly would be. Not only did he kill his entire family (including two sleeping six year olds), but he has never taken responsibility and chooses instead, to play he victim of a MOJ. The PCL-R is not an accurate measure of psychopathy ayway https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18693491

And

ALL of Bambers psychology assessments have been based on his denial therefore making them ALL false positive errors!

[Angelo222]

That's really quite simply and it comes from whether you believe he is innocent or guilty. An innocent Jeremy Bamber probably wouldn't be a psychopath, a guilty one (however) most certainly would be. Not only did he kill his entire family (including two sleeping six year olds), but he has never taken responsibility and chooses instead, to play he victim of a MOJ. The PCL-R is not an accurate measure of psychopathy anyway https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18693491

It takes a really sick depraved psychologically disturbed individual to shoot two sleeping six-year-olds multiple times in the head.  Even a hired gun would have severe qualms about such a thing imo.

[Nicholas]

It takes a really sick depraved psychologically disturbed individual to shoot two sleeping six-year-olds multiple times in the head.  Even a hired gun would have severe qualms about such a thing imo.

The Jeremy Bamber "groupies" are fighting a losing battle.

Bamber is doomed to fail no matter what and he knows it; hence why he wages his wars on his "friends" & "supporters" and anyone else who'll give him the time of day

[Nicholas]

You could always write to David Gauke https://www.gov.uk/government/people/david-gauke

Excerpt from my communication with Mr Gauke



Dear Mr Gauke,

I am contacting you regarding my grave concerns of convicted prisoner Jeremy Bamber, A5352AC, c/o HMP Wakefield

Jeremy Bamber is serving a whole life tariff for the murder of 5 family members. He has publicly maintained innocence for over 3 decades however there is no evidence to suggest he is innocent.

I am a surviving victim of a convicted prisoner not dissimilar to Jeremy Bamber who also maintained innocence for over a decade before confessing his guilt from an open prison in 2013. His name was Simon Hall

Like Jeremy Bamber, he also conned prison psychologists and many others into believing he was low risk to the public, and others, in order to support his claims of innocence.

Following on from the John Worboys case where it was established,

"The Parole Board relied heavily upon a number of reports from offender managers and psychologists. While his offender managers opposed release, several psychologists were in favour. However, in arriving at their views, these psychologists appeared to accept at face value what Worboys had told them and concluded that he had taken “full responsibility” for his actions.

What safeguards are in place, if any, to ensure prisoners like Jeremy Bamber are not conning psychologists like Simon Hall and John Worboys clearly did?

Pre trial, Jeremy Bamber's defence team learned he was a psychopath however Jeremy Bamber promotes the following https://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/ via his campaign website.

These prisoners use coercive control and all number of psychological manipulation tactics to exploit their victims yet our Government and indeed UK prisons do not appear to be addressing these quite apparent crimes nor do the prisons appear to intervene or care; even though they have a duty to protect the public from prisoners like this.

I have come into contact with many of Jeremy Bamber's victims and have read their harrowing stories of how he tried to con them, or befriend them, for the sole purpose of using them, as Simon Hall once did me.

I am asking you, on behalf of Her Majesty's Prisons and Probation service to intervene and do more to project the victims from prisoners like this.

[Nicholas]

Excepts from my communication with Mr Gauke



Dear Mr Gauke,

I am contacting you regarding my grave concerns of convicted prisoner Jeremy Bamber, A5352AC, c/o HMP Wakefield

Jeremy Bamber is serving a whole life tariff for the murder of 5 family members. He has publicly maintained innocence for over 3 decades however there is no evidence to suggest he is innocent.

I am a surviving victim of a convicted prisoner not dissimilar to Jeremy Bamber who also maintained innocence for over a decade before confessing his guilt from an open prison in 2013. His name was Simon Hall

Like Jeremy Bamber, he also conned prison psychologists and many others into believing he was low risk to the public, and others, in order to support his claims of innocence.

Following on from the John Worboys case where it was established,

"The Parole Board relied heavily upon a number of reports from offender managers and psychologists. While his offender managers opposed release, several psychologists were in favour. However, in arriving at their views, these psychologists appeared to accept at face value what Worboys had told them and concluded that he had taken “full responsibility” for his actions.

What safeguards are in place, if any, to ensure prisoners like Jeremy Bamber are not conning psychologists like Simon Hall and John Worboys clearly did?

Pre trial, Jeremy Bamber's defence team learned he was a psychopath however Jeremy Bamber promotes the following https://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/ via his campaign website.

These prisoners use coercive control and all number of psychological manipulation tactics to exploit their victims yet our Government and indeed UK prisons do not appear to be addressing these quite apparent crimes nor do the prisons appear to intervene or care; even though they have a duty to protect the public from prisoners like this.

I have come into contact with many of Jeremy Bamber's victims and have read their harrowing stories of how he tried to con them, or befriend them, for the sole purpose of using them, as Simon Hall once did me.

I am asking you, on behalf of Her Majesty's Prisons and Probation service to intervene and do more to project the victims from prisoners like this.

Links of interest https://consult.justice.gov.uk/homeoffice-moj/domestic-abuse-consultation/

https://consult.justice.gov.uk/homeoffice-moj/domestic-abuse-consultation/supporting_documents/Transforming%20the%20response%20to%20domestic%20abuse.pdf

[Nicholas]

Excepts from my communication with Mr Gauke



Dear Mr Gauke,

I am contacting you regarding my grave concerns of convicted prisoner Jeremy Bamber, A5352AC, c/o HMP Wakefield

Jeremy Bamber is serving a whole life tariff for the murder of 5 family members. He has publicly maintained innocence for over 3 decades however there is no evidence to suggest he is innocent.

I am a surviving victim of a convicted prisoner not dissimilar to Jeremy Bamber who also maintained innocence for over a decade before confessing his guilt from an open prison in 2013. His name was Simon Hall

Like Jeremy Bamber, he also conned prison psychologists and many others into believing he was low risk to the public, and others, in order to support his claims of innocence.

Following on from the John Worboys case where it was established,

"The Parole Board relied heavily upon a number of reports from offender managers and psychologists. While his offender managers opposed release, several psychologists were in favour. However, in arriving at their views, these psychologists appeared to accept at face value what Worboys had told them and concluded that he had taken “full responsibility” for his actions.

What safeguards are in place, if any, to ensure prisoners like Jeremy Bamber are not conning psychologists like Simon Hall and John Worboys clearly did?

Pre trial, Jeremy Bamber's defence team learned he was a psychopath however Jeremy Bamber promotes the following https://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/ via his campaign website.

These prisoners use coercive control and all number of psychological manipulation tactics to exploit their victims yet our Government and indeed UK prisons do not appear to be addressing these quite apparent crimes nor do the prisons appear to intervene or care; even though they have a duty to protect the public from prisoners like this.

I have come into contact with many of Jeremy Bamber's victims and have read their harrowing stories of how he tried to con them, or befriend them, for the sole purpose of using them, as Simon Hall once did me.

I am asking you, on behalf of Her Majesty's Prisons and Probation service to intervene and do more to project the victims from prisoners like this.

Is Eric Allison still in support of Bambers claims of Innocence?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/29/john-worboys-indeterminate-sentences-ipp-prisoners

[Nicholas]

I don't understand why lay people want to label JB a psychopath when the likes of Prof Egan have undertaken a formal assessment of JB and found no case for even "mild psychopathy". 

http://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/

Remind us how long did this assessment take and what ‘mask’ did Bamber present at the time?

And what paperwork did Prof Egan rely on in order to carry out his assessment? Have you seen them? What if what he relied on was flawed?

[G-Unit]

Remind us how long did this assessment take and what ‘mask’ did Bamber present at the time?

And what paperwork did Prof Egan rely on in order to carry out his assessment? Have you seen them? What if what he relied on was flawed?

There have certainly been instances where prisoners have been released and have reoffended, so we know that mistakes can be made. What I don't understand is the obsession with psychopathy. Not all murderers are psychopaths and not all psychopaths are murderers, so why do some see it as so important to portray Bamber as a psychopath?

[Vertigo Swirl]

There have certainly been instances where prisoners have been released and have reoffended, so we know that mistakes can be made. What I don't understand is the obsession with psychopathy. Not all murderers are psychopaths and not all psychopaths are murderers, so why do some see it as so important to portray Bamber as a psychopath?

Would it alter your opinion of his involvement if it was confirmed (to your satisfaction) that he was a psychopath?  How would a diagnosis of psychopathy in Kate or Gerry McCann figure in your discussions of that particular case?  I guess it just wouldn't right?  LOL. 

[Caroline]

There have certainly been instances where prisoners have been released and have reoffended, so we know that mistakes can be made. What I don't understand is the obsession with psychopathy. Not all murderers are psychopaths and not all psychopaths are murderers, so why do some see it as so important to portray Bamber as a psychopath?

Seriously? Obviously you believe the man is innocent, but what kind of mind do you think it would take to kill both his parents, his 6 year old nephews and his sister - then stage it to look like she was responsible? You think an empathetic person could do this and at the end of it, just think all about themselves and getting away with it? He's a psychopath - no question!

[G-Unit]

Seriously? Obviously you believe the man is innocent, but what kind of mind do you think it would take to kill both his parents, his 6 year old nephews and his sister - then stage it to look like she was responsible? You think an empathetic person could do this and at the end of it, just think all about themselves and getting away with it? He's a psychopath - no question!

Do you have any evidence that it was necessary to be psychopathic to commit such a crime, or is it just your opinion?

[APRIL]

Do you have any evidence that it was necessary to be psychopathic to commit such a crime, or is it just your opinion?

How would it be possible to commit such a crime and not be a psychopath? I would point out that having psychopathic traits, doesn't necessarily equate with being a psychopath, and not all psychopaths murder.

[Nicholas]

I would point out that having psychopathic traits, doesn't necessarily equate with being a psychopath,

?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you have any evidence that it was necessary to be psychopathic to commit such a crime, or is it just your opinion?

psychopaths are largely identified  by the things they do and the way they behave.  Agreed?  There is no spot in the brain labelled “psychopath” for easy identification as far as I’m aware, although I know there have been attempts at finding one.