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Offline adam

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2014, 09:13:41 PM »
Jeremy's Witness Statement says he got Neville's call at 3.10am.

His Official Site, which I have been informed Jeremy manages says he called the police at 3.36am.

Good to see Jeremy only taking 26 minutes to respond to Neville's request to 'come quickly'.

Offline adam

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2014, 09:24:52 PM »
Jeremy complained about the time the police left him hanging on the line in his 3.36am call. So this, together with the time it took to give the police the details of who what and where regarding WHF, means the call could have lasted ten minutes. Ending at 3.46am.

Jeremy drove very slowly to WHF. Being passed by the police. The journey would have taken him around ten minutes.

So not sure how he met the police at 3.48am.


Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2014, 11:16:21 PM »
I don't think Colin Caffell was mistaken.  DC Mick Clark and Ann Eaton would also have heard what JB said...



If NB had already been shot in the mouth, tongue and larynx, then according to Dr Vanezis he would have been incapable of coherent speech. How does this square with JB's assertion that NB told him quite clearly that Sheila had gone berserk and got hold of a gun?

Is the above from CC's WS or book?

I've had a quick look back on AE's WS and she doesn't make any ref to it.  Neither does JB in his WS.  I don't think I've ever read a WS from DC Mick Clark.

Based on Dr V's evidence it would not have been possible for NB to engage in purposeful conversation having suffered the facial shots.  If NB phoned JB imo it would have been before any shots were fired. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2014, 11:30:38 PM »
Jeremy's Witness Statement says he got Neville's call at 3.10am.

His Official Site, which I have been informed Jeremy manages says he called the police at 3.36am.

Good to see Jeremy only taking 26 minutes to respond to Neville's request to 'come quickly'.


Adam in the absence of digital/satellite technology the timing of the phone calls are hopelessly unreliable.  Especially when JB was not formally interviewed until a month after the murders.  No one eg JB, JM, students, police etc would have any idea of the importance of the phone calls/times at the time of receiving the calls.  As I said it was over a month until the minutiae became important by which time memories fade.   

The judge in the OP trial refused to use witness testimony with regard to the sequence of screams as she said it unreliable.  Instead she relied on phone calls to provide a timeline - satellite/digital technology. 
« Last Edit: November 08, 2014, 06:54:27 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2014, 11:49:11 PM »
I don't think Colin Caffell was mistaken.  DC Mick Clark and Ann Eaton would also have heard what JB said...



If NB had already been shot in the mouth, tongue and larynx, then according to Dr Vanezis he would have been incapable of coherent speech. How does this square with JB's assertion that NB told him quite clearly that Sheila had gone berserk and got hold of a gun?

CC also says he thinks it was JB that spotted movement at the window when according to PS Bewes it was in fact PC Myall:

4.00 in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EDp_tqUysI
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2014, 09:06:27 AM »
Jeremy complained about the time the police left him hanging on the line in his 3.36am call. So this, together with the time it took to give the police the details of who what and where regarding WHF, means the call could have lasted ten minutes. Ending at 3.46am.

Jeremy drove very slowly to WHF. Being passed by the police. The journey would have taken him around ten minutes.

So not sure how he met the police at 3.48am.

Offline adam

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2014, 09:24:36 AM »
Jeremy also said he phoned Julie after phoning the police. Which would have added on more minutes. I understand the phone was in the hallway and it would have taken time to answer. People are usually asleep at 3.48am.

So if his calls to the police and Julie took him past 3.48am, how did he arrive at WHF by 3.48am ? Anyway Julie and her flatmates suggested the call was at 3am. Ten minutes before Neville's 'mysterious' call to Jeremy.

And what the heck was Jeremy doing between 3.10am - 3.36am.

The 3.26am call to Chelmsford police was from Neville, according to the official site. Not sure why Neville would also call a police station miles away, rather than Witham, relatives, or the Foakes's. He already knew Jeremy was speeding over. The policeman who took Jeremy's call did not mention Neville's call, preferring to take time taking down the exact same details Neville had given them.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2014, 09:39:16 AM by adam »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2014, 02:20:03 PM »
Jeremy also said he phoned Julie after phoning the police. Which would have added on more minutes. I understand the phone was in the hallway and it would have taken time to answer. People are usually asleep at 3.48am.

So if his calls to the police and Julie took him past 3.48am, how did he arrive at WHF by 3.48am ? Anyway Julie and her flatmates suggested the call was at 3am. Ten minutes before Neville's 'mysterious' call to Jeremy.

And what the heck was Jeremy doing between 3.10am - 3.36am.

The 3.26am call to Chelmsford police was from Neville, according to the official site. Not sure why Neville would also call a police station miles away, rather than Witham, relatives, or the Foakes's. He already knew Jeremy was speeding over. The policeman who took Jeremy's call did not mention Neville's call, preferring to take time taking down the exact same details Neville had given them.

I have been a member of Blue/Red for nearly 3 years.  Prior to this I read the Blue forum for a year as a guest.  I have seen all sorts of weird and wonderful posts re the phone calls/timing incl a debate as to whether JB had a pee and if so did he drip dry, use loo roll or shake dry and how long each would take.  No I'm not going there.  All I have to say is that in the absence of digital/satellite technology it's hopelessly unreliable and absolutely impossible to prove whether the call from NB to JB was made or not.

I doubt very much that NB called EP.

It is possible that JB called JM prior to calling EP.  In her WS of 8th Aug she said she was better able to communicate with SC and JB could be awkward not knowing what to say/do when SC made "odd" statements.  Perhaps not surprising given that JM was training to be a teacher ie she should have been the better communicator.  He may well have called JM asking her opinion of what he should do and then felt a bit embarrassed admitting to EP (rough old middle aged cops ie he didn't want to look like a public school boy tw*t)that he deferred to his girlfriend.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282.0;attach=1010

There's evidence that NB had a low opinion of the local police and that family privacy was paramount to the Bambers.  All potentially reasons why NB would try to avoid calling the police and seek out support from immediate family ie JB.  NB would not call the relatives as they knew nothing about the severity of SC's mental illness and NB would want to keep it that way.  For this reason NB was even less likely to contact the Foakes.  By the time shots were fired and these concerns needed setting aside as the situation had quickly escalated to critical it was sadly too late.

1. NB had a low opinion of the police as stated in RB's WS

"he (NB) commented that if they were like the police at Witham they were no more good than Dad's Army":

(bottom of 1st, top of 2nd)

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=513.0;attach=1651

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=513.0;attach=1652

2. The Bambers were private people as stated in CC's book:

"One of the most striking things about that day, although not altogether surprising for me, was the fact that, the more I talked to June and Nevill's relations, the more I realised none of them actually knew anything had been seriously wrong with Bambs - not even June's sister Pam.  Many of them said that had they known, they would have been more than willing to help and share the burden.  Why hadn't I contacted them and told them all about it?  I couldn't believe what I was hearing and could only reply by saying that I didn't feel it had been my business to betray the Bamber's confidence.  They were very private people whose decisions I had to respect - whether right or wrong.  These people had no idea how much I'd need them as allies to convince June and Nevill of how strongly I felt Bamb's treatment should have been changed".



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline guinness

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2014, 11:42:29 PM »
A very well reasoned post IMO

when the full horror of what had happened unfolded - of course JB would be embarrassed he had not taken the correct action. Life is full of what ifs.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2014, 02:18:42 PM »
A very well reasoned post IMO

when the full horror of what had happened unfolded - of course JB would be embarrassed he had not taken the correct action. Life is full of what ifs.

Cheers Guinness  8((()*/

I'm more a lager in the summer and real ale in the winter sort of girl.  Have a stout occasionally.  In fact might have one later for a change.  I run a few miles most days so haven't developed a beer belly YET!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Andrea

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2014, 06:27:42 PM »
A very well reasoned post IMO

when the full horror of what had happened unfolded - of course JB would be embarrassed he had not taken the correct action. Life is full of what ifs.

He wasn't too embarrassed about his behaviour following his handiwork was he? He couldn't even be bothered to turn up for his parents memorial. What a tosser.

Offline John

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2014, 07:26:04 PM »
Had Nevill Banner phoned Jeremy after being shot in the mouth he would have damn well have made it known, assuming as Myster has already pointed out, that he could even speak.  We can thus rule out the making of any phone call by Nevill after sustaining those first wounds.  In addition, I think the embarrassment factor would have been null and void had he actually been shot and seriously injured and in those circumstances it would have been 999 that he would have phoned and not Jeremy.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2014, 03:42:39 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2014, 11:18:04 AM »
Had Nevill Banner phoned Jeremy after being shot in the mouth he would have damn well have made it known, assuming as Myster has already pointed out, that he could even speak.  We can thus rule out the making of any phone call by Nevill after sustaining those first wounds.  In addition, I think the embarrassment factor would have been null and void had he actually been shot and seriously injured and in those circumstances it would have been 999 that he would have phoned and not Jeremy.

Yes I agree.  If NB phoned JB it was before any shots were fired.  Dr V makes it clear that after NB received the shots in the bedroom he would be incapable of purposeful talk and limited to inaudible groans.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2014, 04:21:47 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2014, 04:22:49 PM »
Holly, you forget that had Nevill made the phonecall to Jeremy, his assailant was standing beside him ready to cut off the call.  Can you really imagine a scenario where that person was a mentally unstable Sheila?  Remember the words which Jeremy said his father uttered and picture Sheila being in a position to end that call suddenly.  I'm afraid the two are incompatible since an out of control person can normally be heard to utter something...don't you think?

Ask yourself this question Holly.   Did Jeremy report hearing Sheila's voice, even once?  No he didn't and that is where the pretence fell down.

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Claims that Nevill phoned police while Sheila went on rampage.
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2014, 06:24:06 PM »
Holly, you forget that had Nevill made the phonecall to Jeremy, his assailant was standing beside him ready to cut off the call.  Can you really imagine a scenario where that person was a mentally unstable Sheila?  Remember the words which Jeremy said his father uttered and picture Sheila being in a position to end that call suddenly.  I'm afraid the two are incompatible since an out of control person can normally be heard to utter something...don't you think?

Ask yourself this question Holly.   Did Jeremy report hearing Sheila's voice, even once?  No he didn't and that is where the pretence fell down.

No I don't think SC was standing by NB ready/waiting to disable any call.  I think NB phoned JB from the kitchen and SC fled to the bedroom and shot June.  Hence the phone in the kitchen was found off the cradle as NB hearing shots dropped the phone and fled to the bedroom where he was also shot.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?