What really did occur in Australia and New Zealand

[John]

There would appear to be a dearth of information relating to Jeremy's activities down under before his hurried return to England.

We know that he visited Australia and New Zealand on a couple of occasions after persuading his father to sponsor a scuba diving course. He later ended up sharing a flat on North Island, New Zealand with a guy who was later to take an active part in proceedings following the murders at White House Farm.

In the book "Murder at white House farm", Claire Powell states that while in New Zealand, Jeremy reportedly broke into a jewellery store and stole two expensive Cartier watches, one of which he gave to a girlfriend back in England.  Susan Battesby later recounted that Julie Mugford had told her that Jeremy had given Sue Ford one of the watches as a present.

Also according to Powell, Jeremy boasted that he had been involved in smuggling heroin overseas. One of his cousins later said Bamber ended up leaving New Zealand in a hurry, because friends of his had been involved in an armed robbery.  Indeed, in a hand-written note by Jim Carr to Robert Boutflour it was stated that Jeremy had to leave Australia in a hurry and that details of this episode had been passed by Rob Carr to the police at Witham.

It is known that Jeremy was desperate to leave the country and begged his mother, June Bamber, for help in getting home. For her part she had to wire him £2000 and had to keep the matter hidden from Nevill who had refused any further help.

[only me]

Just for clarification:  Jim Carr was the manager of the caravan park, and Rob Carr was his son who was also a PC - am I correct in thinking that?

[Dillon]

There would appear to be a dearth of information relating to Jeremy's activities down under before his hurried return to England.

We know that he visited Australia and New Zealand on a couple of occasions after persuading his father to sponsor a scuba diving course. He later ended up sharing a flat on North Island, New Zealand with a guy who was later to take an active part in proceedings following the murders at White House Farm.

In the book "Murder at white House farm", Claire Powell states that while in New Zealand, Jeremy reportedly broke into a jewellery store and stole two expensive Cartier watches, one of which he gave to a girlfriend back in England.  Susan Battesby later recounted that Julie Mugford had told her that Jeremy had given Sue Ford one of the watches as a present.

Also according to Powell, Jeremy boasted that he had been involved in smuggling heroin overseas. One of his cousins later said Bamber ended up leaving New Zealand in a hurry, because friends of his had been involved in an armed robbery.  Indeed, in a hand-written note by Jim Carr to Robert Boutflour it was stated that Jeremy had to leave Australia in a hurry and that details of this episode had been passed by Rob Carr to the police at Witham.

It is known that Jeremy was desperate to leave the country and begged his mother, June Bamber, for help in getting home. For her part she had to wire him £2000 and had to keep the matter hidden from Nevill who had refused any further help.

Very interesting, John. My understanding is that the second time he went to New Zealand was at short notice at the start of the harvest at WHF. You will know from your knowledge of the farming world that to do that almost amounts to sacrilege ! This is the guy who loved farming and whose ambition is to acquire a little farm when (IF) he is released. Ha ha. The man is an incorrigible liar.

[only me]

It's Phil and I wouldn't take your money. Just state on here catergorically that you do not post on the Bamber Forum under the name of susan ingham.



Phillipa I can categorically state I am not Susa mingham


Mat come to Essex and we can have coffee in the high street and you can take as many photos as you like and I can take loads of photos of you.

I will pm you my phone no

What does this have to do with Jeremy's activities in New Zealand?! 

[ActualMat]

I think she posted in the wrong topic.

[ludwig]

There would appear to be a dearth of information relating to Jeremy's activities down under before his hurried return to England.

We know that he visited Australia and New Zealand on a couple of occasions after persuading his father to sponsor a scuba diving course. He later ended up sharing a flat on North Island, New Zealand with a guy who was later to take an active part in proceedings following the murders at White House Farm.

In the book "Murder at white House farm", Claire Powell states that while in New Zealand, Jeremy reportedly broke into a jewellery store and stole two expensive Cartier watches, one of which he gave to a girlfriend back in England.  Susan Battesby later recounted that Julie Mugford had told her that Jeremy had given Sue Ford one of the watches as a present.

Also according to Powell, Jeremy boasted that he had been involved in smuggling heroin overseas. One of his cousins later said Bamber ended up leaving New Zealand in a hurry, because friends of his had been involved in an armed robbery.  Indeed, in a hand-written note by Jim Carr to Robert Boutflour it was stated that Jeremy had to leave Australia in a hurry and that details of this episode had been passed by Rob Carr to the police at Witham.

It is known that Jeremy was desperate to leave the country and begged his mother, June Bamber, for help in getting home. For her part she had to wire him £2000 and had to keep the matter hidden from Nevill who had refused any further help.

Very interesting, John. My understanding is that the second time he went to New Zealand was at short notice at the start of the harvest at WHF. You will know from your knowledge of the farming world that to do that almost amounts to sacrilege ! This is the guy who loved farming and whose ambition is to acquire a little farm when (IF) he is released. Ha ha. The man is an incorrigible liar.

My understanding is that he forged many criminal links in New Zealand and Australia and that he set himself up as a minor drug dealer when he returned. In 'Blood Relations' Roger Wilkes mentions that Bamber received several letters with money in them from a man in Scotland after the murders. He also smuggled drugs back with him from Amsterdam on his trip with Brett Collins and Julie Mugford.
Julie Mugford says that Bamber planned to either set up his own farm or open a wine bar with Brett Collins with his inheritance. I have no doubt that if he had got away with his crimes he would have continued his criminal career and become part of the criminal underworld, just as he experienced in NZ/Australia.

[John]

There would appear to be a dearth of information relating to Jeremy's activities down under before his hurried return to England.

We know that he visited Australia and New Zealand on a couple of occasions after persuading his father to sponsor a scuba diving course. He later ended up sharing a flat on North Island, New Zealand with a guy who was later to take an active part in proceedings following the murders at White House Farm.

In the book "Murder at white House farm", Claire Powell states that while in New Zealand, Jeremy reportedly broke into a jewellery store and stole two expensive Cartier watches, one of which he gave to a girlfriend back in England.  Susan Battesby later recounted that Julie Mugford had told her that Jeremy had given Sue Ford one of the watches as a present.

Also according to Powell, Jeremy boasted that he had been involved in smuggling heroin overseas. One of his cousins later said Bamber ended up leaving New Zealand in a hurry, because friends of his had been involved in an armed robbery.  Indeed, in a hand-written note by Jim Carr to Robert Boutflour it was stated that Jeremy had to leave Australia in a hurry and that details of this episode had been passed by Rob Carr to the police at Witham.

It is known that Jeremy was desperate to leave the country and begged his mother, June Bamber, for help in getting home. For her part she had to wire him £2000 and had to keep the matter hidden from Nevill who had refused any further help.

Very interesting, John. My understanding is that the second time he went to New Zealand was at short notice at the start of the harvest at WHF. You will know from your knowledge of the farming world that to do that almost amounts to sacrilege ! This is the guy who loved farming and whose ambition is to acquire a little farm when (IF) he is released. Ha ha. The man is an incorrigible liar.

My understanding is that he forged many criminal links in New Zealand and Australia and that he set himself up as a minor drug dealer when he returned. In 'Blood Relations' Roger Wilkes mentions that Bamber received several letters with money in them from a man in Scotland after the murders. He also smuggled drugs back with him from Amsterdam on his trip with Brett Collins and Julie Mugford.
Julie Mugford says that Bamber planned to either set up his own farm or open a wine bar with Brett Collins with his inheritance. I have no doubt that if he had got away with his crimes he would have continued his criminal career and become part of the criminal underworld, just as he experienced in NZ/Australia.

It goes without saying, he would have made a super dooper farmer don't you think?   

[Tim Invictus]

I believe Bamber was forced to leave the commercial scuba diving course he was enrolled in due to a nedical condition that meant he was unable to operate in high pressures experienced when diving.

I am not sure what the actual condition was but I seem to recall something about Bamber having a thin skull and there was talk of Bamber blaming June for this as she had dropped him as a baby. I am not sure if this is something I have read in a Bamber book or it might just be hogwash from the Blue Forum. Anyone else know anything further?

Strange to think that if Bamber had passed his SCUBA course he may have found his vocation in life and not have murdered his entire immediate family!

[Andrea]

Yes i also read that, Tim.