Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?

[Alfred R Jones]

If the Met considered it credible that Smith and his wife had seen Gerry carrying a child then it would be Gerry who was their chief suspect.  Any evidence to suggest that he is?

[Alfred R Jones]

The Met to Mr Smith: describe the man you saw.

Mr Smith to the Met: it was Gerry McCann (I think), google his name and you'll probably find a few million images.

The met to Mr Smith: OK thanks.

[ferryman]

Mr Smith would have been asked to describe the man he saw, not whether it was Gerry McCann.

Obviously SY have found his and his wife's evidence so credible that they based their whole Crimewatch slot around it.

Sounds as if you might be coming round to the (sensible!) view that the Smiths did not see Gerry.

[faithlilly]

Sounds as if you might be coming round to the (sensible!) view that the Smiths did not see Gerry.

On the contrary ferryman. I believe it is possible given the now accepted timeline that the man the Smith's saw was Gerry. Of course if you can provide just one independent witness who can place Gerry in the tapas bar from 9.50-10.13 I will gladly reconsider my stance.

[VIXTE]

These are all speculations. You realise that, right?

There is no even proof that the girl seen by Smiths was Madeleine, let alone that that someone carrying the girl was Gerry..

The GNR dogs lost her scent next to a lamp post across the road to OC reception.. it is more probable that she was put into a car right on this spot.

[faithlilly]

These are all speculations. You realise that, right?

There is no even proof that the girl seen by Smiths was Madeleine, let alone that that someone carrying the girl was Gerry..

The GNR dogs lost her scent next to a lamp post across the road to OC reception.. it is more probable that she was put into a car right on this spot.

The dog were trained to scent a live human not a dead child.

[Brietta]

Because Gerry McCann is not a man in need of identification.

Madeleine's parents were on every front page in Portugal, Britain and Eire.

Similarly they were constantly being portrayed in news broadcasts and Mr Smith said they followed the news closely in the hope that Madeleine would be found. 

Mr Smith was unable to give the police a description of the man he saw ... in particular ... he did not recognise the man whose image he had been exposed to seeing constantly for the fortnight before his initial contact with An Garda Síochána and the intervening period before making his statement to the PJ on the 26th May. 

That makes twenty three days of unprecedented coverage showing Madeleine's father including images of him walking while carrying one of the twins. 

Mr Smith did not identify Dr McCann ... a man whose image he could not fail to have seen ... as the man carrying the child.


Caption:Lagos, PORTUGAL: Kate (L) and Gerry (R) Mccann, the parents of four-year-old Madeleine McCann, carry their twins as they walk 16 May 2007 outside The Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Lagos, in the Portuguese southern province of Algarve
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/kate-and-gerry-mccann-the-parents-of-four-year-old-news-photo/74163358
Caption:PRAIA DA LUZ, PORTUGAL: Kate (R) and Gerry (L) Mccann, the parents of four-year-old Madeleine McCann, carry their twins 17 May 2007 outside The Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Lagos,
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/kate-and-gerry-mccann-the-parents-of-four-year-old-news-photo/74172984

**snip**
— States that it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[ferryman]

On the contrary ferryman. I believe it is possible given the now accepted timeline that the man the Smith's saw was Gerry. Of course if you can provide just one independent witness who can place Gerry in the tapas bar from 9.50-10.13 I will gladly reconsider my stance.

I will be kind and gloss over your ignorance of what an independent witness is.

If Gerry was anywhere other than in the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting, where is the commentary in the files on efforts to find Gerry to tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him?

[faithlilly]

I will be kind and gloss over your ignorance of what an independent witness is.

If Gerry was anywhere other than in the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting, where is the commentary in the files on efforts to find Gerry to tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him?

The Tapas friends were known to the McCanns and could have been implicated in the disappearance so would not be considered independent.

As to Gerry, he was certainly in the bar at the time of the alert, so no need to find him, but as that wasn't to at least 10.13 according to Gerry himself that gives him time to be seen by the Smiths and at the tapas at the alert.

[ferryman]

The Tapas friends were known to the McCanns and could have been implicated in the disappearance so would not be considered independent.

As to Gerry, he was certainly in the bar at the time of the alert, so no need to find him, but as that wasn't to at least 10.13 according to Gerry himself that gives him time to be seen by the Smiths and at the tapas at the alert.

Gerry was certainly in the restaurant at the time of Kate's alert, which roughly coincided with the time of the Smith sighting, thus ruling out Gerry as the man the Smiths saw, later acknowledged by Martin Smith himself, as reflected in his (altered) decision to produce an e-fit.

Glad we've got that sorted.

And, of course, an independent witness is anyone who risks ruining their own reputation and going to jail by providing a false alibi for another witness.

[pathfinder73]

Gerry was certainly in the restaurant at the time of Kate's alert, which roughly coincided with the time of the Smith sighting, thus ruling out Gerry as the man the Smiths saw, later acknowledged by Martin Smith himself, as reflected in his (altered) decision to produce an e-fit.

Glad we've got that sorted.

And, of course, an independent witness is anyone who risks ruining their own reputation and going to jail by providing a false alibi for another witness.

Smiths left Kelly's Bar at 10 - that's after the alarm.

[faithlilly]

Gerry was certainly in the restaurant at the time of Kate's alert, which roughly coincided with the time of the Smith sighting, thus ruling out Gerry as the man the Smiths saw, later acknowledged by Martin Smith himself, as reflected in his (altered) decision to produce an e-fit.

Glad we've got that sorted.

And, of course, an independent witness is anyone who risks ruining their own reputation and going to jail by providing a false alibi for another witness.

Martin Smith's 'altered ' decision ? Not the claim put forward in the now discredited Times article for which the McCanns were paid a hefty sum in damages ? You can't be talking about that claim as it was unsupported by any direct quote from Martin Smith.

As to giving Gerry a false alibi I think that by being rather vague as to who was at the table at certain times and obviously claiming correctly that Gerry was with them at the time of the alert, their friends left themselves just enough wriggle room if the questioning got really heavy.

[pegasus]

Smiths left Kelly's Bar at 10 - that's after the alarm.

Recently you said (I might be wrong if so please correct) that in your theory the child the irish group saw was not the missing child but was some other child.
So why is this sighting still in your theory?

[pathfinder73]

Recently you said (I might be wrong if so please correct) that in your theory the child the irish group saw was not the missing child but was some other child.
So why is this sighting still in your theory?

I've got a thread on my theory. What's this substitute child nonsense I'm hearing today. Madeleine was seen with Smithman after the alarm. A Madeleine lookalike was sarcasm.

[pegasus]

I've got a thread on my theory. What's this substitute child nonsense I'm hearing today. Madeleine was seen with Smithman after the alarm. A Madeleine lookalike was sarcasm.

...Evidence leads to Smithman with a Madeleine lookalike ...

OK, I was assuming you were posting your theory.