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Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #300 on: December 12, 2014, 05:34:03 PM »
Not all records have been released.

Very true ... but Operation Grange are working from all the files on record ... so it doesn't really matter as far as we are concerned.
Don't you find it strange that this sample alone from all traces collected has vanished ... and if this one has ... what others may there be?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #301 on: December 12, 2014, 05:38:09 PM »
Very true ... but Operation Grange are working from all the files on record ... so it doesn't really matter as far as we are concerned.
Don't you find it strange that this sample alone from all traces collected has vanished ... and if this one has ... what others may there be?


Now that is something we may never know.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #302 on: December 12, 2014, 09:38:05 PM »
Very true ... but Operation Grange are working from all the files on record ... so it doesn't really matter as far as we are concerned.
Don't you find it strange that this sample alone from all traces collected has vanished ... and if this one has ... what others may there be?

Strange we know so much about PDL but we don't know if anyone suffered as a result of an road accident..

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #303 on: December 13, 2014, 01:12:26 AM »
I never did find the final outcome of the human blood found .....Below is part of the link contents
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I consign to the case files that I proceeded to the withdrawal of vestige nº 3 (evidence bag nº 022917) to which the previous report refers, with the aim of depositing it later.

Can I ask, just in case it is me, whether you find it strange that an Inspector on the PJ would sign this evidence bag out of store?  Specifically, an Inspector in the PJ, not a tekkie from INML.
What's up, old man?

Offline Anna

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #304 on: December 13, 2014, 01:20:28 AM »
Can I ask, just in case it is me, whether you find it strange that an Inspector on the PJ would sign this evidence bag out of store?  Specifically, an Inspector in the PJ, not a tekkie from INML.

Sorry Shining,

        I have no idea of how the PJ or forensics procedure operates, in Portugal, so I cannot answer your question.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #305 on: December 13, 2014, 05:52:35 PM »
I have always had the feeling that Maddie wandered off out of that apartment.

She may have been abducted from the street, she may have fallen over ,banged her head and was found dead by a parent, or could have been knocked down by a hit and run who panicked.

The shutters and whooshing are add ons to protect the parents neglect and their reputation! I believe that letter does exist!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #306 on: December 14, 2014, 06:17:01 AM »
I have always had the feeling that Maddie wandered off out of that apartment.

She may have been abducted from the street, she may have fallen over ,banged her head and was found dead by a parent, or could have been knocked down by a hit and run who panicked.

The shutters and whooshing are add ons to protect the parents neglect and their reputation! I believe that letter does exist!

One of my main theories is she went out of the apartment in ANGER fed up of finding herself on her own again.....My idea is slightly different though.

I think there were problems with the childs behaviour sadly from the time the twins came. Before then all the photos of her with her mother are lovely and Mrs McCanns eyes shines through love for her daughter. I found a super photo of both of them snuggled, it was quite harm warming.

I think the problems started from the conception of the twins, and their birth.

My grandson is 2 months younger then Maddy would have been. At the time my daughter was having so many problems with him bad sleeping, always wanting his attention, he was difficult and it was because he was jealous of his OLDER brother......My daughter was simply exhausted with it all, having little sleep every night.

Now can you imagine how poor Mrs McCann must have been 2 young twins, 1 young toddler all vying
 for attention. She must have been exhausted too and unwittingly attending the 2 babies before the needs of the toddler.....the toddler I think would naturally become difficult....

The one thing for me i dont understand is why did Mrs McCann tell all and sundry that on the morning of the 3rd May Madeliene chastiesed them why did you leave us last night crying etc........Why tell us that, WHAT WAS the purpose I could never understand why as for me it made their case of neglect in the eyes of the audience even stronger....how could they? How could they leave their children every night on their own, then got chastised by their 3 year old and do it again the very same night? &%+((£

Now if some of us think that being adults how would a young child of 3 feel? She would have felt i am sure angry, and hurt to find herself in the dark once again with no mum and dad to console her.

I personally think she decided in her own little head to scare them.......and hide perhaps?

I think she was perfectly capable of getting out of that apartment my grandson could have easily and was always up to naughty tricks.

So just say she wandered out, looking for a potential hiding place.

a. Did she find one but it was so good she got stuck and couldnt get back out and dear god she is still there.
b. She wandered out, and she was hit by a passing car and taken away.
c. Someone who knew the child was being left was in the area and took the child away
d. Or did she fall over the stair gate, or railing and be found by a member of the group, i keep reminding myself someone heard someone shouting her name.....

Far fetched is it though?

I get told cant happen she would put her shoes on, WOULD she though? Its dark in the apartment, shoes for kids well my grandson at the time never wore them unless his mum glued them to his feet lol, and he couldnt put them on himself he always got them on the wrong feet.

Fall down into a hole could she? Quite possibly kids die in storm drains and get lost down wells, hidden in fridges.....

Snatched, possibly......

You see i dont get how anyone could have been so clever to have done this without leaving any trace or waking her up screaming, the twins would have woken up etc.....and the shutters well I am sure they are pretty nosiey the ones we had were and in the night noise travels further.

I dont know I just find the case a mystery......like the Needham case really.....there are parallels...

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #307 on: December 14, 2014, 06:19:59 AM »
A potential accident scene is at Quinta dos Figos, around 500m north of 5A. 

Summary.  Blood was found beside a main road. It was picked up 6 May (I think).  It was tested at the spot and found to be human.  It went into the evidence chain then seems to have disappeared.

Details at shininginluz.wordpress.com.  Google shiningluz "human blood at quinta dos figos"  Apologies for the lack of a link, but I'm not an expert re wordpress and find the format fairly awkward.

Was it Madeleine's?  Probably not but I don't know.

I dont remember that but i do remember reading about a body wrapped in polythene found in a cave in the sea not far from the Holy shrine where the McCanns visited one day, cant remember the name of the place sorry I suffer with MS and a bit of memory problems, but i distinctly remember reading about this, and yet i couldnt find anything about sadly who's body it was....

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #308 on: December 14, 2014, 08:28:22 AM »
One of my main theories is she went out of the apartment in ANGER fed up of finding herself on her own again.....My idea is slightly different though.

I think there were problems with the childs behaviour sadly from the time the twins came. Before then all the photos of her with her mother are lovely and Mrs McCanns eyes shines through love for her daughter. I found a super photo of both of them snuggled, it was quite harm warming.

I think the problems started from the conception of the twins, and their birth.

My grandson is 2 months younger then Maddy would have been. At the time my daughter was having so many problems with him bad sleeping, always wanting his attention, he was difficult and it was because he was jealous of his OLDER brother......My daughter was simply exhausted with it all, having little sleep every night.

Now can you imagine how poor Mrs McCann must have been 2 young twins, 1 young toddler all vying
 for attention. She must have been exhausted too and unwittingly attending the 2 babies before the needs of the toddler.....the toddler I think would naturally become difficult....

The one thing for me i dont understand is why did Mrs McCann tell all and sundry that on the morning of the 3rd May Madeliene chastiesed them why did you leave us last night crying etc........Why tell us that, WHAT WAS the purpose I could never understand why as for me it made their case of neglect in the eyes of the audience even stronger....how could they? How could they leave their children every night on their own, then got chastised by their 3 year old and do it again the very same night? &%+((£

Now if some of us think that being adults how would a young child of 3 feel? She would have felt i am sure angry, and hurt to find herself in the dark once again with no mum and dad to console her.

I personally think she decided in her own little head to scare them.......and hide perhaps?

I think she was perfectly capable of getting out of that apartment my grandson could have easily and was always up to naughty tricks.

So just say she wandered out, looking for a potential hiding place.

a. Did she find one but it was so good she got stuck and couldnt get back out and dear god she is still there.
b. She wandered out, and she was hit by a passing car and taken away.
c. Someone who knew the child was being left was in the area and took the child away
d. Or did she fall over the stair gate, or railing and be found by a member of the group, i keep reminding myself someone heard someone shouting her name.....

Far fetched is it though?

I get told cant happen she would put her shoes on, WOULD she though? Its dark in the apartment, shoes for kids well my grandson at the time never wore them unless his mum glued them to his feet lol, and he couldnt put them on himself he always got them on the wrong feet.

Fall down into a hole could she? Quite possibly kids die in storm drains and get lost down wells, hidden in fridges.....

Snatched, possibly......

You see i dont get how anyone could have been so clever to have done this without leaving any trace or waking her up screaming, the twins would have woken up etc.....and the shutters well I am sure they are pretty nosiey the ones we had were and in the night noise travels further.

I dont know I just find the case a mystery......like the Needham case really.....there are parallels...

She didn't tell all and sundry.

She told the investigators everything she knew and could possibly tell them in the hope it would assist them to find Madeleine ... she missed nothing out, even something which may have cast her in a bad light.

Madeleine didn't dwell on the subject and went on to chatter about something else.

I suggest your assessment of Madeleine's relationship with her siblings is off the mark ... you only have to see pictures of her being 'big sister' with them shows that.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2014, 08:35:48 AM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #309 on: December 14, 2014, 08:41:07 AM »
'Madeleine didn't dwell on the subject and went on to chatter about something else.'

You were there ?

Offline Benice

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #310 on: December 14, 2014, 09:43:09 AM »
She didn't tell all and sundry.

She told the investigators everything she knew and could possibly tell them in the hope it would assist them to find Madeleine ... she missed nothing out, even something which may have cast her in a bad light.

Madeleine didn't dwell on the subject and went on to chatter about something else.

I suggest your assessment of Madeleine's relationship with her siblings is off the mark ... you only have to see pictures of her being 'big sister' with them shows that.

If the McCanns had wanted to deceive the police into thinking an intruder might have been in 5A the night before and so decided to make up a story - they could have easily come up with one which didn't risk putting themselves in a bad light.     For instance  -all they had to say is that Madeleine told them she'd had a bad dream about a man being in the room - or something similar.

Once again we are being asked to believe the McCanns didn't have a working brain cell between them and were both as thick as two planks.

I agree - the photographs and videos of Madeleine with her siblings paint completely the opposite picture of the one being suggested.

My daughter like Madeleine is also 20 months older than her brother.  She also got jealous for a while after he was born and demanded extra attention - usually just as I had sat down to feed him.     It's a perfectly normal reaction by many firstborn children - and it soon passed.   

 
 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #311 on: December 14, 2014, 10:44:06 AM »
IMO a four year old would not have developed a sense of righteous indignation and anger at that age, nor a desire to make her parents pay for leaving her alone.  That just does not ring true at all IMO.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #312 on: December 14, 2014, 10:55:52 AM »
I thought you couldn't be arsed to read what I wrote?  Kindly refrain from trolling my posts with your inane observations, many thanks.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2014, 11:00:34 AM by Anna »

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #313 on: December 14, 2014, 11:19:20 AM »
IMO a four year old would not have developed a sense of righteous indignation and anger at that age, nor a desire to make her parents pay for leaving her alone.  That just does not ring true at all IMO.

LOL your joking right? Do you have kids? I have seen a three year old scream at its mummy so loud and horrible it practically turned blue, and was screaming and clenching fist I hate you, and then proceeded to kick said parent in the shin, turn around run off and went out the front door in a right strop...........

Kids are devious and they do develop these things very early on.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2014, 11:24:57 AM by colombosstogey »

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?
« Reply #314 on: December 14, 2014, 11:24:11 AM »
She didn't tell all and sundry.

She told the investigators everything she knew and could possibly tell them in the hope it would assist them to find Madeleine ... she missed nothing out, even something which may have cast her in a bad light.

Madeleine didn't dwell on the subject and went on to chatter about something else.

I suggest your assessment of Madeleine's relationship with her siblings is off the mark ... you only have to see pictures of her being 'big sister' with them shows that.

How do you know that were you there you have no idea what she actually said to her mother, and the words used for me were so sugar coated anyway, no kids of 3/4 talk that way....it would have been more accusingly I would say. Well I thought she wrote that in her book perhaps i was wrong.....but I still find it odd...

No YOUR WRONG about her relationship I am talking about with her MOTHER, not her siblings. Even Mrs McCann stated in an article she became difficult after the twins were born, and I have what she said on book mark somewhere........she was also difficult to go to bed, and wasnt there a star chart for her.......

doesnt mean i believe the McCanns harmed her, I am merely pointing out that perhaps the child went out in a strop angry......and the reasons for my rationale..........All toddlers STROP.....

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