Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off?

[Brietta]

How do you know that were you there you have no idea what she actually said to her mother, and the words used for me were so sugar coated anyway, no kids of 3/4 talk that way....it would have been more accusingly I would say. Well I thought she wrote that in her book perhaps i was wrong.....but I still find it odd...

No YOUR WRONG about her relationship I am talking about with her MOTHER, not her siblings. Even Mrs McCann stated in an article she became difficult after the twins were born, and I have what she said on book mark somewhere........she was also difficult to go to bed, and wasnt there a star chart for her.......

doesnt mean i believe the McCanns harmed her, I am merely pointing out that perhaps the child went out in a strop angry......and the reasons for my rationale..........All toddlers STROP.....

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I just do not understand the determination to portray Dr McCann as an uncaring mother and a liar.  I may not have been there but may I respectfully point out, neither were you but Dr McCann was ... I have read her account of what was said at the last breakfast she had with her eldest child, and I am satisfied with that.

I am quite frankly aghast that you refer to Madeleine's star chart as an indication she was a 'stroppy' child. I feel that is a judgement you are not entitled to make particularly when there is a wealth of evidence to the contrary.

The theory that she may have wandered off on her own was the first avenue investigated by the GNR.  They found no evidence to support it.

[Anna]

Please adhere to the topic.."Was Madeleine McCann run over by accident and then carried off"
Off topic post will be deleted

[colombosstogey]

I just do not understand the determination to portray Dr McCann as an uncaring mother and a liar.  I may not have been there but may I respectfully point out, neither were you but Dr McCann was ... I have read her account of what was said at the last breakfast she had with her eldest child, and I am satisfied with that.

I am quite frankly aghast that you refer to Madeleine's star chart as an indication she was a 'stroppy' child. I feel that is a judgement you are not entitled to make particularly when there is a wealth of evidence to the contrary.

The theory that she may have wandered off on her own was the first avenue investigated by the GNR.  They found no evidence to support it.

stroppy child? I never said that you need to read posts more carefully.

The Subject of the post is: RE: Was Madeliene McCann run over by accident and then carried off?

If you read my post i have stated I think she could have run off out and I gave the rationale for it.....and that she could have been run over etc etc....

I am not going to apologise for pointing out the star chart the child was obviously having some problems like all 3 year olds do, and it could have all accumulated in her running off out of the apartment into danger. I think you being AGHAST is a tad OTT though lol.

I also merely stated, I found it odd that MrsMcCann would mention what the child said on the 3rd May, but you still manage to turn it into me or anyone else being a McCann disbeliever.

I am entitled to make these comments and observations, if you dont like what I say then I suggest you put me on block, I care not quite honestly what you think.....I know what 3 year olds are capable of, I have had a 3 year old who behaved irrationally and children can run off for the oddest of reasons.

Jeez you cant win on here, your dammed if you come up with another reason for her disappearance which does not involve the parents, and your dammed if you do.....give me a break.....

Mrs McCann herself quite OPENLY said the child had become difficult after the birth of the twins, so please get off your high horse, thank you kindly.....

In an interview she stated:.....Kate McCann has revealed that she struggled to control Madeleine McCann after the birth of her and Gerry's twins, it was revealed today.

Missing Madeleine would run around 'screaming...shouting for my attention', the mother-of-three said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482238/Kate-McCann-My-struggle-control-difficult-Madeleine.html#ixzz3Lt474UbR
 

[Alfred R Jones]

LOL your joking right? Do you have kids? I have seen a three year old scream at its mummy so loud and horrible it practically turned blue, and was screaming and clenching fist I hate you, and then proceeded to kick said parent in the shin, turn around run off and went out the front door in a right strop...........

Kids are devious and they do develop these things very early on.

LOL yes I do have children - two of them in fact, however I cannot conceive of either of them at age 4 conniving to teach me a lesson because they felt that I had somehow failed in my duty as a parent.  That sounds way too calculating and sophisticated for an almost 4 year old.  Yes, kids that age have strops but usually it's because they aren't getting their own way, not because mummy went out and so now I'm going to make her pay by mentally torturing her.  IMO of course.

[Brietta]

stroppy child? I never said that you need to read posts more carefully.

The Subject of the post is: RE: Was Madeliene McCann run over by accident and then carried off?

If you read my post i have stated I think she could have run off out and I gave the rationale for it.....and that she could have been run over etc etc....

I am not going to apologise for pointing out the star chart the child was obviously having some problems like all 3 year olds do, and it could have all accumulated in her running off out of the apartment into danger. I think you being AGHAST is a tad OTT though lol.

I also merely stated, I found it odd that MrsMcCann would mention what the child said on the 3rd May, but you still manage to turn it into me or anyone else being a McCann disbeliever.

I am entitled to make these comments and observations, if you dont like what I say then I suggest you put me on block, I care not quite honestly what you think.....I know what 3 year olds are capable of, I have had a 3 year old who behaved irrationally and children can run off for the oddest of reasons.

Jeez you cant win on here, your dammed if you come up with another reason for her disappearance which does not involve the parents, and your dammed if you do.....give me a break.....

Mrs McCann herself quite OPENLY said the child had become difficult after the birth of the twins, so please get off your high horse, thank you kindly.....

In an interview she stated:.....Kate McCann has revealed that she struggled to control Madeleine McCann after the birth of her and Gerry's twins, it was revealed today.

Missing Madeleine would run around 'screaming...shouting for my attention', the mother-of-three said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482238/Kate-McCann-My-struggle-control-difficult-Madeleine.html#ixzz3Lt474UbR

Don't you think you are over reacting just a tad? 

You have posted your opinion ... I have replied and voiced mine.  That is called discussion ... and it is a discussion forum.

I have absolutely no intention of putting you on ignore as I find some of your posts quite interesting. 

I regret if you object to my posting style, but what you see is what you get and I learned to be quite combative on an unregulated forum where there were no holds barred and absolutely no quarter given to people of my opinion.

Don't doubt that I read what you said in your post. 

You think it possible Madeleine may have wandered ... I do not;  but you qualified your opinion as to why she may have with a critique of her mother which started with you saying, "I think the problems started ..."

I think the problem started with someone entering Apartment 5A and leaving with a child ... and therein lies the difference in your theory and mine.

[Benice]

How do you know that were you there you have no idea what she actually said to her mother, and the words used for me were so sugar coated anyway, no kids of 3/4 talk that way....it would have been more accusingly I would say. Well I thought she wrote that in her book perhaps i was wrong.....but I still find it odd...

No YOUR WRONG about her relationship I am talking about with her MOTHER, not her siblings. Even Mrs McCann stated in an article she became difficult after the twins were born, and I have what she said on book mark somewhere........she was also difficult to go to bed, and wasnt there a star chart for her.......

doesnt mean i believe the McCanns harmed her, I am merely pointing out that perhaps the child went out in a strop angry......and the reasons for my rationale..........All toddlers STROP.....

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According to Kate's friends (other mums with children) back home, Kate was a very patient calm mother who got along brilliantly with her daughter and never raised her voice to her.     As those mums regularly spent hours at a time with Kate and her children along with their own children  - I think they are in a much better position to judge than anyone who has never met her. 

AFAIK none of the people who came into regular close contact with Kate and her children expressed any concerns or doubts about Kate and Gerry's parenting skills.   In fact quite the opposite.

Their witness statements are in the files, but I can't remember their names at the mo.

[pegasus]

According to Kate's friends (other mums with children) back home, Kate was a very patient calm mother who got along brilliantly with her daughter and never raised her voice to her.     As those mums regularly spent hours at a time with Kate and her children along with their own children  - I think they are in a much better position to judge than anyone who has never met her. 

AFAIK none of the people who came into regular close contact with Kate and her children expressed any concerns or doubts about Kate and Gerry's parenting skills.   In fact quite the opposite.

Their witness statements are in the files, but I can't remember their names at the mo.

Are you thinking of the dutch nursery?

[DCI]

According to Kate's friends (other mums with children) back home, Kate was a very patient calm mother who got along brilliantly with her daughter and never raised her voice to her.     As those mums regularly spent hours at a time with Kate and her children along with their own children  - I think they are in a much better position to judge than anyone who has never met her. 

AFAIK none of the people who came into regular close contact with Kate and her children expressed any concerns or doubts about Kate and Gerry's parenting skills.   In fact quite the opposite.

Their witness statements are in the files, but I can't remember their names at the mo.

Here is one Benice

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NICKY_GILL.htm

[Brietta]

Here is one Benice

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NICKY_GILL.htm

"Madeleine meant everything to Kate"

Said by one who knows her as well as anyone could ... there is absolutely no way that loving mother treated the daughter who was a best friend to her in the way imagined by some.

Any hope she might have had that indeed Madeleine might have wandered off on her own was shattered by the raised shutter and the open window.

[Benice]

Here is one Benice

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NICKY_GILL.htm

Thanks DCI - but that wasn't one of the two I  was thinking of.    I've found one of them -(below)   

 Incidentally IMO this statement is a good example of how multi-translations can have an effect.   Some of the words/phrases sound a little 'strange' to me, but then they have been translated from English to Portuguese and then back again.



QUOTE

Witness statement of Karen Lamena Elaine McCalman (family friend) 2008.05.14
Testimony from Ka.L.E.Mc
Age if less than 18 years:
Occupation:

This deposition (comprising 2 pages and signed by me) is true and according to my understanding. I am aware that, if proven to the contrary, I will be subject to prosecution if I have voluntarily testified to something with knowledge of it being false or not corresponding to the truth.

Date: May 16, 2008

Signature _________________________________


I am the abovementioned person living in East Goscote, Leicestershire. The full address was previously supplied to police. I live with my husband and our two children of four and two years of age.
 
Recently I was interviewed by police from Leicestershire on certain points concerning the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I have been informed that this questionnaire was drawn up following a formal request from the Portuguese authorities. I am aware that my testimony is subject to the Portuguese Criminal Code and English law.
 
These are the answers that I can provide to the questions which I received:
 
I have known Kate McCann and her daughter Madeleine for about two and a half years. At that time the McCANN family lived in Queniborough. Kate and I knew each other from the local group of http://www.netmums.com group of toddlers at Charnwood. We got on well with each other and we became friends. We met at least once a week and we frequented each other's homes. I took care of Madeleine some afternoons or days.
 
I always thought Madeleine was fun [-loving], smart and expressed herself with ease. She had a very pleasant personality and got on very well with my daughter. She made people smile.
 
Initially I thought that Gerry McCann was a bit harsh, but as we got to know each other he revealed himself to be very nice and fun [-loving].
 
I think Kate was a little shy until we got to know each other. She is strong but modest and would never want to be on the pedestal where she is today.


I am not aware of any conflict between the family. Madeleine and Kate got on well together like best friends do. I never saw Kate or Gerry physically mistreat children. (page 1)

I never saw Madeleine ill and I consider her a healthy child. I never saw changes in her behaviour.
 
Madeleine never made complaints about anybody. She never showed bad behaviour, in fact she was almost the perfect child. We were able to bring her to her senses like she was an adult.

She never seemed scared. She was not hyperactive.
 
Regarding the sleep habits of Madeleine, Kate told me that when they lived in Queniborough Madeleine used to wake in the middle of the night and come to bed with the parents for the rest of the night. When they moved to Rothley she began to do this less often and the parents used to give her stickers as a bonus to sleep all night alone.
 
I remember there were many of these stickers in the house, for the nights when she would sleep alone all night. The stickers were glued to the door of the refrigerator.
 
Kate and Gerry never seemed tired and never struggled to take care of the children.

I have no knowledge of Madeleine at any time to have been subjected to medication. I only remember her being given paracetamol once when she had a cold.
 
I think the behaviour of Madeleine appropriate for her age. She was very energetic, but a model child. She liked to swim, play tennis and ride a bicycle and attend kindergarten.
 
I think Kate and Gerry were exemplary parents. Kate never raised her voice and always kept herself calm and never seemed tired of her children even on the busiest days. Gerry 'stripped' his professional air such that he came home after work and got involved entirely with the children.
 
I do not remember any more, nor any information or additional explanation that is relevant or which may help in the investigation.
 
This testimony was made by me and it is true according to my understanding.



 

[TitoMuzzy]

"Madeleine meant everything to Kate"

Didn't Kate also describe her as being a problematic child ?

I sincerely hope that neither Kate or Gerry has a short fuse temperament !

[Brietta]

Didn't Kate also describe her as being a problematic child ?

I sincerely hope that neither Kate or Gerry has a short fuse temperament !

You'll have a cite for that description "problematic child"?

Why would you hope that neither of the Drs McCann have a "short fuse temperament"?

[colombosstogey]

Well anyone who watched The Missing that is exactly what happened to the boy in the....he was run over, and taken away without anyone seeing him............................

[Alfred R Jones]

Well anyone who watched The Missing that is exactly what happened to the boy in the....he was run over, and taken away without anyone seeing him............................

And that makes it more likely that it happened to Madeleine too...? &%+((£

[Miss Taken Identity]

And that makes it more likely that it happened to Madeleine too...? &%+((£

No, just another theory to be taken into account and investigated.

 The police should be doing that. Investigating all possibilities. But as we see on here, SY have cleared the parents and are looking for an abductor.

Gosh hope they find one! They have so many to choose from.