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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #225 on: December 08, 2014, 07:30:53 AM »
Yeah, if it wasn't for the dogs. This is why I too find it hard to completely believe them. You know there is always the chance that cadaver scent was spread around the apartment plus car given Amaral's form he could have instructed his officers to do this. I just can't give this idea much credit though as it's just another conspiracy theory with incomplete information(a large amount of scenarios could be concocted).

A key point for me is they recovered material from the scene for DNA testing at the spots they alerted. We can talk about the accuracy of the dogs, inducing the dogs to alert, what they alert to etc... regardless it's very hard to simply dismiss even though literally speaking this is just dogs barking. SY on the other hand I assume have experts at hand to advise.

perhaps SY have taken Grimes advice and so should we. Grime said there were several scenarios that could have introduced cadaverine into the apartment.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #226 on: December 08, 2014, 08:33:13 AM »
Waste time?   How many seconds does it take to open the shutters and one window?

It seems I can either believe:-

 (a) one or more of the reasons already given  for an intruder to open the window, all credible IMO  -
or

 (b)  I can believe that a cunning plan was devised by Gerry & Kate  i.e. to tell the police that Kate found the shutter and window open - and as neither of them had opened them  - then that is proof that an intruder did.

I can just imagine the conversation:

Gerry to Kate: You open the windows and shutter- and we'll tell the police they were definitely closed when we left for dinner but you found them both open on your 10p.m. check.

Kate:-   Oh what a good idea.

Gerry:-  Yes - we'll tell them the shutters were forced,  jemmied, smashed  and broken when you got back.

Kate:-   Erm will the police believe that?  They won't even have been forced -  let alone jemmied or smashed?

Gerry :- That's OK -  we'll just tell our families they were jemmied and smashed.   Obviously - they will believe us - and once the police know that all our relatives believe us - then they will believe us too!    Simples

Kate:-    Oh of course - why didn't I think of that.

Gerry :-   And don't forget to clean the window of any fingerprints - except your own.   In fact don't just leave one print - leave a whole set.

Kate:-   - Gosh yes - that will be even more proof that we didn't open the window ourselves.

Gerry:-    And then -  just to make absolutely sure that the police believe that we DID find the window and shutters open - guess what I'm going to do....

Kate:-     Oh do tell - I can't wait

Gerry:-    I'm going to make sure I close them again ............ BEFORE the police arrive!!

Kate:-      Wow what a master-stroke!   That will definitely convince them.  You're so clever!
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Hmmm,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry but (b)  doesn't quite work for me.
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stephen25000

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #227 on: December 08, 2014, 08:51:12 AM »
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Now why would an abductor open shutters and a window, when there was no need to , and of course , could leave forensic traces behind ?

Meanwhile there's an unlocked door or two, which if as some claim that people were watching the apartment, they would be aware of, so why bother with a window and shutters.

The whole story of the windows and shutters is make believe, IMO and others.


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Offline Brietta

Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #228 on: December 08, 2014, 10:03:18 AM »
Yes your right lordpookles about forensic materials etc.....

To spread cadavarien scent deliberately well it would be hard to do. First you have to get the right stuff, and its volitile.

Why only put it on her clothing etc, and not the husbands? No I for one believe all that is a conspiracy theory.

The one thing i did think though is if the child was harmed in the apartment by a bungled burglary or even abused and killed why take her body away? It makes no sense.

All you have to do is put her back in the bed, cover her up, and she simply looks asleep......You would simply find her dead in the morning......sorry dont mean to be insensitive here.

Why remove her.

Nothing of this case makes any sense.....

The only reasons why you would remove her for me is because there is clear DNA on her body belonging to someone perhaps she knew......

Why remove her if she is dead?

thats the only reason i can think of.........

ALSO and it has to be discussed I am sorry, if she was sexually abused in the apartment by a PERB then there would have been their DNA as well...it can be left all over the place.....unless your an expert you would not even think about it.....

IF this perpetrator was sexuall predator and sexually abused her, then he/she would be known about as a pedophile takes a long time to jump over from looking and finding their type, to actually doing it, and I expect this person would have already been on a register.

I think i mentioned before when i was 11, a neighbour was trying to groom me slowly and exposing himself etc, and i told my brother, and this guy was removed fast this was in the Forces. He was if my memory serves me a good looking Asian guy, and friends with my dad, so at first i was not scared of him, until he got bold......

Nope nothing makes sense of this case.........I still think whoever took her she knew them.

Hum did the parents do it, why are so many people certain they did.... &%+((£

I think partly for me they were not truthful at the beginning..........and one lies begets another........until things dont make sense. Does that mean they harmed their daughter? No it means perhaps they were liberal in their checking and needed to cover it all up, otherwise they feared they would be ridiculed as professionals for leaving their children for so long unattended each night.

We only have the 3rd May checks to go by, I personally do not believe they were check so often as a normal course of action.

Anyway....will we ever get closure. I hope so......because if it was a stranger or even a friend etc, they need to be caught and put away.......mind you the other thing i find of interest......a leopard never changes its spots.

If it was a pedophile, they got away with it, they would be bold and would try again, I am convinced of that....but nothing seems to have happened to any children since ..... all very odd........which brings it down to travellers, or dead people perhaps, or migrants.......phew...brain overload lol.

A thoughtful post.

Have you never asked yourself why it is considered right and proper in some quarters to have hounded Madeleine McCann's parents for over seven years ... despite the fact they have been thoroughly investigated by law enforcement here and in Portugal ... and nothing has been found which implicates them in her disappearance in any way whatsoever?

The people who NEED closure ... are not us ... we never knew or loved Madeleine ... 
The driving force behind the search for her since it was abandoned in 2008 are the parents who love her and the family who need the closure of finding out what happened to her and where she is.

Please do not kid yourself on that "nothing seems to have happened to any children since".  In common with every country in the world, in Portugal there are 'invisible' children and people being trafficked day and daily and the Portuguese authorities are striving to address the problem.  That none have been beautiful blonde Brits (insofar as we know) doesn't mean it does not continue.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #229 on: December 08, 2014, 10:11:49 AM »
A thoughtful post.

Have you never asked yourself why it is considered right and proper in some quarters to have hounded Madeleine McCann's parents for over seven years ... despite the fact they have been thoroughly investigated by law enforcement here and in Portugal ... and nothing has been found which implicates them in her disappearance in any way whatsoever?

The people who NEED closure ... are not us ... we never knew or loved Madeleine ... 
The driving force behind the search for her since it was abandoned in 2008 are the parents who love her and the family who need the closure of finding out what happened to her and where she is.

Please do not kid yourself on that "nothing seems to have happened to any children since".  In common with every country in the world, in Portugal there are 'invisible' children and people being trafficked day and daily and the Portuguese authorities are striving to address the problem.  That none have been beautiful blonde Brits (insofar as we know) doesn't mean it does not continue.

When did SY investigate the mccanns and the rest of the grouop ?

SY has never come out and said that .

It was supposed to be an open investigation, and it clearly has not been that.

and let's not forget the nature of the crime has yet to be established. &%+((£

Offline VIXTE

Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #230 on: December 08, 2014, 11:03:58 AM »
Your post is complete nonsense. Anyone who knows anything about the case knows that so why are these myths being allowed to be perpetrated on this forum ?

I assure you this is not a myth. I signed the petition and I have an elephant's memory.

And I remember this was the first ever online petition I have seen and signed.

PJ was against the British dogs going to PDL.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #231 on: December 08, 2014, 11:50:16 AM »
I assure you this is not a myth. I signed the petition and I have an elephant's memory.

And I remember this was the first ever online petition I have seen and signed.

PJ was against the British dogs going to PDL.

Not sure why you are spreading this misinformation but it's simply not true.
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ferryman

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #232 on: December 08, 2014, 12:47:52 PM »
I think partly for me they were not truthful at the beginning..........and one lies begets another........until things dont make sense. Does that mean they harmed their daughter? No it means perhaps they were liberal in their checking and needed to cover it all up, otherwise they feared they would be ridiculed as professionals for leaving their children for so long unattended each night.

We only have the 3rd May checks to go by, I personally do not believe they were check so often as a normal course of action.

Anyway....will we ever get closure. I hope so......because if it was a stranger or even a friend etc, they need to be caught and put away.......mind you the other thing i find of interest......a leopard never changes its spots.

If it was a pedophile, they got away with it, they would be bold and would try again, I am convinced of that....but nothing seems to have happened to any children since ..... all very odd........which brings it down to travellers, or dead people perhaps, or migrants.......phew...brain overload lol.


On checks, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence in the files confirming regular checks.

There are waiters who recall having to return meals to the kitchen to re-heat because people were absent from the table.

On the night, Kate's check is corroborated by her alert; Gerry's prior check, by Jez Wilkins, whom he met outside the apartment after his check.

Stephen Carpenter was present in the restaurant on May 3rd and comments in his rogatory interview on the regular comings and goings of folk, obviously tooing and froing to check on the children.

stephen25000

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #233 on: December 08, 2014, 01:07:32 PM »
I think partly for me they were not truthful at the beginning..........and one lies begets another........until things dont make sense. Does that mean they harmed their daughter? No it means perhaps they were liberal in their checking and needed to cover it all up, otherwise they feared they would be ridiculed as professionals for leaving their children for so long unattended each night.

We only have the 3rd May checks to go by, I personally do not believe they were check so often as a normal course of action.

Anyway....will we ever get closure. I hope so......because if it was a stranger or even a friend etc, they need to be caught and put away.......mind you the other thing i find of interest......a leopard never changes its spots.

If it was a pedophile, they got away with it, they would be bold and would try again, I am convinced of that....but nothing seems to have happened to any children since ..... all very odd........which brings it down to travellers, or dead people perhaps, or migrants.......phew...brain overload lol.


On checks, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence in the files confirming regular checks.

There are waiters who recall having to return meals to the kitchen to re-heat because people were absent from the table.

On the night, Kate's check is corroborated by her alert; Gerry's prior check, by Jez Wilkins, whom he met outside the apartment after his check.

Stephen Carpenter was present in the restaurant on May 3rd and comments in his rogatory interview on the regular comings and goings of folk, obviously tooing and froing to check on the children.

Can you explain why the loving parents only checked their children  the very night she disappeared and on no other ?

Offline jassi

Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #234 on: December 08, 2014, 01:52:57 PM »
Were questions asked about other nights or just the night in question?
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #235 on: December 08, 2014, 02:00:15 PM »
Were questions asked about other nights or just the night in question?

It would be useful to be able to ask for a cite which verifies statements made ... unfortunately there is absolutely no point in asking Stephen for corroboration ... he never manages to provide any.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfred R Jones

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #236 on: December 08, 2014, 02:01:10 PM »
Not sure why you are spreading this misinformation but it's simply not true.
Perhaps you should check your facts before accusing others of making stuff up

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Offline jassi

Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #237 on: December 08, 2014, 02:01:48 PM »
It would be useful to be able to ask for a cite which verifies statements made ... unfortunately there is absolutely no point in asking Stephen for corroboration ... he never manages to provide any.

I'm sure someone else will come along with an answer even if he doesn't.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #238 on: December 08, 2014, 02:06:44 PM »
I'm sure someone else will come along with an answer even if he doesn't.
Didn't the Tapas restaurant staff say that it was usual for the McCanns group to perform checks during dinner?

ferryman

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Re: A Thread To Discuss Alfred's Theory in detail.
« Reply #239 on: December 08, 2014, 02:11:04 PM »
Can you explain why the loving parents only checked their children  the very night she disappeared and on no other ?

I can't explain why this board allows you to get away with that uncorroborated and outright libellous guess.