What was Julie going to use the bike for ?

[adam]

Jeremy claimed he brought the bike over three days before the massacre for Julie.

Jeremy's supporters have said it is a coincidence that the bike arrived just before the massacre. The prosecution successfully argued he cycled to and from WHF.

Anyway. The fact is Jeremy brought June's bike back to his cottage in his car three days before the massacre. But what was Julie going to use the bike for ?

She did not live at Jeremy's cottage. Or work near there as far as I am aware.

When she visits Jeremy, she is going to see Jeremy. Not go cycling off on her own.

Were they going to go on romantic cycling journeys together. Well, no as there was only one bike.

Did Jeremy have a car ? Yes, so they could drive to places together. Or Jeremy could give her a lift. Unless Jeremy was going to drive somewhere and make Julie cycle. I know Jeremy said the relationship had been in decline for 6 months but... Leading on from this the judge asked why would a bike be brought over if the relationship had been in decline for six months ? The judge also said the bike had dried blood on. But did not elaborate where it came from.

Maybe the bike was really brought for  Jeremy's own personal use ? Yeah right, he would not be seen dead on it.

Had Julie been pestering Jeremy for a bike ? If so he took his time getting one. By co incidence bringing a bike over just before the massacre. Julie saying he wanted to do a trial bike ride to WHF.  Even then he didn't buy one. Rather just took June's.

Perhaps Julie could have brought her own bike over. If she had one. Or Jeremy could have bought her one. June bought a bike for a reason, probably for her own personal use. As people do.

The bike was forensically tested weeks later. Not sure what would be found. If Jeremy had cleaned up at WHF before getting on it. Or had no serious wounds. He also had weeks to wash it down.

Does anyone know what Julie was going to use the bike for ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Does anyone know what Julie was going to use the bike for ?

I thought I read somewhere that JB had secured JM some work at Maldon Growers (a Co part owned by N & J Bamber Ltd) and it was to get to and from work?  If JB was working long hours at WHF, JM was pretty much stranded at Goldhanger when she stayed over.  As far as I could see when I visited the area last year GH is a small village with just a pub and church and cut off from neighbouring towns.  I don't recall there even being a convenience store or newsagent and I doubt there was  much by way of public transport. 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7459799,0.755641,15z

As it was summer and far less road traffic than today I would imagine it would be quite nice to have a bike to get around on.  Often the most popular mode of transport in university towns.  Think BoJo's bike scheme in London.

Adam as I've said before you either see these things eg the bike as benign, as I do, or you see them as suspicious as you do.  The mind perceives and interprets the background info in one of two ways based on many complex factors.  Perhaps an analogy is the following optical illusion where some can only see an old lady with others seeing a young lady and some seeing both - see below.  What do you see Adam?   

There is obviously only one truth either JB is guilty as charged or he is the victim of arguably the worst MoJ in modern criminal history.  All the peripheral stuff bike etc could be  interpreted either way.  He could be guilty and gone to WHF on foot with the bike being unconnected. 

[Admin]

From memory and according to Jeremy, wasn't the bike allegedly brought to Goldhanger to facilitate Julie getting to and from the train station?  Julie denied this in her police interviews and added that she never used the bicycle.

Yet another example of Jeremy saying one thing and Julie another.

[Myster]

I thought I read somewhere that JB had secured JM some work at Maldon Growers (a Co part owned by N & J Bamber Ltd) and it was to get to and from work?  If JB was working long hours at WHF, JM was pretty much stranded at Goldhanger when she stayed over.  As far as I could see when I visited the area last year GH is a small village with just a pub and church and cut off from neighbouring towns.  I don't recall there even being a convenience store or newsagent and I doubt there was  much by way of public transport. 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7459799,0.755641,15z

As it was summer and far less road traffic than today I would imagine it would be quite nice to have a bike to get around on.  Often the most popular mode of transport in university towns.  Think BoJo's bike scheme in London.

Adam as I've said before you either see these things eg the bike as benign, as I do, or you see them as suspicious as you do.  The mind perceives and interprets the background info in one of two ways based on many complex factors.  Perhaps an analogy is the following optical illusion where some can only see an old lady with others seeing a young lady and some seeing both - see below.  What do you see Adam?   

There is obviously only one truth either JB is guilty as charged or he is the victim of arguably the worst MoJ in modern criminal history.  All the peripheral stuff bike etc could be  interpreted either way.  He could be guilty and gone to WHF on foot with the bike being unconnected. 

Two statements by Julie Mugford in which Jeremy Bamber told her of his intention to walk or use a bicycle to travel to WHF and dispose of his family...

[Holly Goodhead]

From memory and according to Jeremy, wasn't the bike allegedly brought to Goldhanger to facilitate Julie getting to and from the train station?  Julie denied this in her police interviews and added that she never used the bicycle.

Yet another example of Jeremy saying one thing and Julie another.

I will retrieve the relevant WS's when I have more time.  Chelmsford train station is some 15 miles from GH and if JM had overnight baggage etc it seems a bit of a trek on a bike?  I assume she would leave the bike at the station and then use it for her return journey to GH?  North Maldon Growers is only down the road from GH.  I can see the bike being used for short regular journeys but I'm not sure irregular longer journeys with baggage (physical rather than emotional  ) would be practical? 

Perhaps I'm asleep at the wheel here...but what was JM doing in London on 6th/7th August?  College/uni and schools would have broken up by then? 

[Holly Goodhead]

North Maldon Growers Ltd (A co formerly part owned by N & J Bamber Ltd) where JB secured JM some seasonal work. Map showing North Maldon Growers Ltd in relation to Goldhanger:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/North+Maldon+Growers+Ltd/@51.755021,0.746552,13z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47d8e1f1e40a5c7b:0x58d120c231ea20ed

[John]

I will retrieve the relevant WS's when I have more time.  Chelmsford train station is some 15 miles from GH and if JM had overnight baggage etc it seems a bit of a trek on a bike?  I assume she would leave the bike at the station and then use it for her return journey to GH?  North Maldon Growers is only down the road from GH.  I can see the bike being used for short regular journeys but I'm not sure irregular longer journeys with baggage (physical rather than emotional  ) would be practical? 

Perhaps I'm asleep at the wheel here...but what was JM doing in London on 6th/7th August? College/uni and schools would have broken up by then?

Quite simple really, she was working.

In Julie's diary entry dated 7th August 1985, she refers to the conversation she had with Jeremy at 5.40am on the morning of the murders where he tells her, "don't go to work, a panda car will pick you up".

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As far as the bike was concerned, the story offered by Jeremy was that it was brought to the house in Goldhanger so that Julie could cycle from Goldhanger to Toleshunt D'arcy, leaving the bike at the Red Lion Pub. She would then get the Osbourne's bus which runs from Tollesbury to Colchester.  All of which Julie denied ever happened.

[adam]

Quite simple really, she was working.

In Julie's diary entry dated 7th August 1985, she refers to the conversation she had with Jeremy at 5.40am on the morning of the murders where he tells her, "don't go to work, a panda car will pick you up".

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As far as the bike was concerned, the story offered by Jeremy was that it was brought to the house in Goldhanger so that Julie could cycle from Goldhanger to Toleshunt D'arcy, leaving the bike at the Red Lion Pub. She would then get the Osbourne's bus which runs from Tollesbury to Colchester.  All of which Julie denied ever happened.

Why was Julie going to Colchester from Goldhanger ? To get the train back to London ?

Thought Jeremy would at least give her a lift to Colchester. She had travelled all that way to see him.

[APRIL]

Why was Julie going to Colchester from Goldhanger ? To get the train back to London ?

Thought Jeremy would at least give her a lift to Colchester. She had travelled all that way to see him.

The reason for Julie going to Colchester from Goldhanger is neither here nor there. Witham would PROBABLY have been her nearest train station, but that aside, most girls like shopping. Colchester was a good place to do it. Her mother lived in Colchester. She'd been to school in Colchester so there was the likelihood of her having friends there. If Jeremy had taken her in it would have been necessary for him to go back and pick her up again.

[adam]

The reason for Julie going to Colchester from Goldhanger is neither here nor there. Witham would PROBABLY have been her nearest train station, but that aside, most girls like shopping. Colchester was a good place to do it. Her mother lived in Colchester. She'd been to school in Colchester so there was the likelihood of her having friends there. If Jeremy had taken her in it would have been necessary for him to go back and pick her up again.

It's not neither here or there. Bamber needs a reason or he won't be believed. No one believes his reason why he brought the bike over just two days before the massacre.

So Julie went to visit Jeremy so she could go shopping on her own. Under the bright lights of Colchester shopping centre. Prefer Oxford Street myself, which was closer for Julie. 

Nice of Jeremy to let her cycle and get the train there after she came to visit him.

[APRIL]

It's not neither here or there. Bamber needs a reason or he won't be believed. No one believes his reason why he brought the bike over just two days before the massacre.

So Julie went to visit Jeremy so she could go shopping on her own. Under the bright lights of Colchester shopping centre. Prefer Oxford Street myself, which was closer for Julie. 

Nice of Jeremy to let her cycle and get the train there after she came to visit him.

Did Jeremy not say, that in HIS opinion, the relationship was in decline? Even if it wasn't, they'd probably got past that first loved up glow and in any case, time away from Goldhanger would only be a few hours out of a weekend. Of course, there were other ways of her getting to Colchester -to catch up with family, shop/lunch/gossip with girl friends, but they may have proved complicated ie taking a train from Witham.

Colchester is a charming, historic town, Britains oldest recorded. Given the choice of Colchester or Oxford St, I'd take Colchester every time.

[Holly Goodhead]

Quite simple really, she was working.

In Julie's diary entry dated 7th August 1985, she refers to the conversation she had with Jeremy at 5.40am on the morning of the murders where he tells her, "don't go to work, a panda car will pick you up".

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As far as the bike was concerned, the story offered by Jeremy was that it was brought to the house in Goldhanger so that Julie could cycle from Goldhanger to Toleshunt D'arcy, leaving the bike at the Red Lion Pub. She would then get the Osbourne's bus which runs from Tollesbury to Colchester.  All of which Julie denied ever happened.

Yes I am aware of JM's WS stating that JB told her not to go to work but what sort of work was she doing on 7th Aug?  After CC's party in London on the Saturday, JM returned to Goldhanger with JB.  JB then dropped JM off at Chelmsford station early Sun eve and JM returned to London.  Uni/colleges and schools would have broken up by then so what work was JM doing? 

JB said in his WS that JM said she would like to have a bike to get around on but that was said the previous summer.  Unless she was really into cycling I would say Chelmsford and Colchester would have been a bit of a trek on a bike:

GH to Colchester = 13.8 miles 0.37 min by car

GH to Chelmsford = 15.1miles 0.34 min by car

[guinness]

As far as I am aware it was not exactly a racing get away bike. A photo might have been useful. But as it was not proved to have anything to do with the murders anyway, the fact that it was bought over for Julie to use could well have been true .

[Holly Goodhead]

As far as I am aware it was not exactly a racing get away bike. A photo might have been useful. But as it was not proved to have anything to do with the murders anyway, the fact that it was bought over for Julie to use could well have been true .

Sit up and beg 

[adam]

Yes I am aware of JM's WS stating that JB told her not to go to work but what sort of work was she doing on 7th Aug?  After CC's party in London on the Saturday, JM returned to Goldhanger with JB.  JB then dropped JM off at Chelmsford station early Sun eve and JM returned to London.  Uni/colleges and schools would have broken up by then so what work was JM doing? 

JB said in his WS that JM said she would like to have a bike to get around on but that was said the previous summer.  Unless she was really into cycling I would say Chelmsford and Colchester would have been a bit of a trek on a bike:

GH to Colchester = 13.8 miles 0.37 min by car

GH to Chelmsford = 15.1miles 0.34 min by car

That is a long way for Julie to cycle.