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Offline adam

The mysterious meeting in the judges chambers.
« on: January 19, 2015, 07:35:11 PM »
I had never read about the mysterious behind closed doors meeting the judge called. Until joining another forum.

It has often been mentioned on there. I asked for a source yesterday. But did not get one. Which is not surprising as there would only be about five people present in the judges chambers during this mysterious meeting.

Apparently the judge had heard that Julie had signed a NOTW deal post verdict. But neither Julie's lawyers or the NOTW would be that stupid. And the judge would not be daft enough to think so.

The judge would also know in a high profile trial there may be some pre verdict verbal agreements in place with the media. For several people. So I do not know why he would single out Julie.

But anyway this meeting with the judge apparently took place. And highlights that Julie is a liar and can't be trusted with her testimony.

Has anyone actually got a source for this ?
« Last Edit: January 26, 2015, 01:47:46 AM by John »

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: The mysterious meeting in the judges chambers.
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2015, 03:51:54 AM »
Julie did not attend the meeting.  The meeting was with the the defense lawyers and prosecutors.  The prosecutors represented to the court that she had told them she had not signed a deal.

No evidence to rebut that has ever been found. The defense has alleged that a deal was signed pre-verdict but never found any evidence to prove their allegation.

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline adam

Re: The mysterious meeting in the judges chambers.
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2015, 09:44:04 AM »
Signing a deal pre verdict will mean gross misconduct from both Julie's lawyers and the NOTW representatives. Neither party and certainly both parties at the same time would not be so unprofessional.

Bamber was being optimistic. Or rather clutching at straws.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2015, 10:01:28 AM by adam »

Offline John

Re: The mysterious meeting in the judges chambers.
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2015, 01:51:43 AM »
Julie's lawyer agreed a deal with the newspapers pre verdict in order to get them off their backs.  Whether Julie ever signed anything pre verdict is another question which only she or her lawyer can answer.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2015, 10:30:50 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: The mysterious meeting in the judges chambers.
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2015, 03:56:04 PM »
Julie's lawyer agreed a deal with the newspapers pre verdict in order to get them off their backs.  Whether Julie ever signed anything pre verdict is another question which only she or her lawyer can answer.

He was negotiating a deal pre-verdict.  He told Julie signing a deal would get the press off her back. That is not really true though so whether he was lying to her or she simply misunderstood who knows.

In any event, there is no evidence that she signed the deal before the trial ended and more importantly there is no evidence to suggest she made up the story in order to get a deal.  That is the key issue in relation to the book deal and it is always ignored because there is nothing at all to suggest she made up anything in order to get a paid gig in the papers.

The argument is essentially the deal was made pretrial and the Jury thus should have been told about the deal so they could decide whether to believe she made up the things she said on the stand in exchange for being paid for her story.  The defense wanted to use that in order to get a new trial and second bite at the apple but they could not establish she signed the deal prior to testifying.

It would effectively be getting a second bite at the apple for free even though the issue at hand is meaningless and the jury would not have decided that she made up things to get the press to pay her for her story.  Ask Jeremy supporters to explain what she made up because she wanted a press deal and they will not be able to even posit anything let alone offer any proof.

     
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline John

Re: The mysterious meeting in the judges chambers.
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2015, 06:53:59 PM »
Judges routinely have discussions with Counsel in chambers during a trial so no mystery there.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: The mysterious meeting in the judges chambers.
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2015, 04:34:03 PM »
Judges routinely have discussions with Counsel in chambers during a trial so no mystery there.

What you are describing is that it is not uncommon.  It actually doesn't happen that often but does at times. There is no mystery because we know what the meeting was about. it would only be a mystery if we didn't know why it was held.

It was held because the defense alleged Julie signed a media deal and her testimony was made up to obtain the deal and they wanted to get her testimony stricken or the opportunity to argue to the jury she made it all up in exchange for the media deal.

 
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline John

Re: The mysterious meeting in the judges chambers.
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2015, 10:30:40 PM »
The judge knew very well that the police would have been all over this from the off.  The defence must have been severely deluded to think anyone would believe that Julie would make up such a story for a few quid.  She wouldn't have taken the risk and Stan Jones knew it.

Stan interviewed her at length, in the end he knew what the truth was.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.