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Offline faithlilly

Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2015, 12:14:36 AM »
And how did they come by copies of the police statements?

Does it say statements or simply declarations ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2015, 12:20:13 AM »
Who knows? How many places had copies of transcripts of the McCanns statements?

Wasn't a big chunk of Leveson about British police selling information to newspapers?

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2015, 12:33:16 AM »
Wasn't a big chunk of Leveson about British police selling information to newspapers?

No, Portuguese police and journo.

2.46pm: Daniel Sanderson's witness statement has now been published. It says that the former News of the World news editor Ian Edmondson approved a €18,000 payment to a Portuguese journalist for the Kate McCann diaries.

12.19pm: Sanderson explains how he got in touch with a Portuguese journalist and they discussed payment for a copy of the diary. Sanderson then liaised with the news editor at the time, Ian Edmondson.

Edmondson hired a freelancer, Gerard Couzens, who is based in Spain to travel to Portugal to meet the journalist and collect the diary.

Sanderson says he wasn't aware at the time that the ultimate source was the Portuguese police.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic17221.html
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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2015, 12:38:05 AM »
I believe, documents and statements in here:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559151/Portuguese-police-leaks-shameless-smears-discredit-say-McCanns.html

Thank you Anna but with the greatest respect this is a tabloid article no doubt taken from a Mitchell press release.

Those implying that the statement was released to smear the McCanns must think their admission is as awful as I do because only then could it inflict the amount of damage on the McCann's reputation and credibility as is being suggested.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2015, 12:42:04 AM »
No, Portuguese police and journo.

2.46pm: Daniel Sanderson's witness statement has now been published. It says that the former News of the World news editor Ian Edmondson approved a €18,000 payment to a Portuguese journalist for the Kate McCann diaries.

12.19pm: Sanderson explains how he got in touch with a Portuguese journalist and they discussed payment for a copy of the diary. Sanderson then liaised with the news editor at the time, Ian Edmondson.

Edmondson hired a freelancer, Gerard Couzens, who is based in Spain to travel to Portugal to meet the journalist and collect the diary.

Sanderson says he wasn't aware at the time that the ultimate source was the Portuguese police.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic17221.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304977/Jefferies-Police-leaked-statement
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Lyall

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2015, 12:43:47 AM »
No, Portuguese police and journo.

2.46pm: Daniel Sanderson's witness statement has now been published. It says that the former News of the World news editor Ian Edmondson approved a €18,000 payment to a Portuguese journalist for the Kate McCann diaries.

12.19pm: Sanderson explains how he got in touch with a Portuguese journalist and they discussed payment for a copy of the diary. Sanderson then liaised with the news editor at the time, Ian Edmondson.

Edmondson hired a freelancer, Gerard Couzens, who is based in Spain to travel to Portugal to meet the journalist and collect the diary.

Sanderson says he wasn't aware at the time that the ultimate source was the Portuguese police.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic17221.html

I know about that, but in 2011 the NOTW scandal broke and since then more and more has come out about the activities of British police with journalists. There are still cases either at trial or yet to get to trial.

You believe there was none of that going on in 2007/8 involving the most high profile case of all?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2015, 12:55:49 AM »
I know about that, but in 2011 the NOTW scandal broke and since then more and more has come out about the activities of British police with journalists. There are still cases either at trial or yet to get to trial.

You believe there was none of that going on in 2007/8 involving the most high profile case of all?

The fact is Lyall almost everything the Portuguese police had in the way of evidence the Leicestershire police had access to too.
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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2015, 01:12:08 AM »
What's jefferies got to do with this topic

The British police at that time were also leaking information that should have been sub judici so it is entirely possible that information was being leaked by Leicestershire police who would have had access to much of the information held by the Portuguese police.

One thing I have never understood. If many of the articles about the McCanns were not true why do they need to have been leaked by anyone ? Isn't it just possible that they came from the fetid imagination of a tabloid journalust ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2015, 01:12:43 AM »
The fact is Lyall almost everything the Portuguese police had in the way of evidence the Leicestershire police had access to too.

Not just them either. As someone pointed out earlier there was also Metodo, and Control Risks, and Halligen's jokers, and who knows who else.

(And Clarence, of course.)

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2015, 01:54:48 AM »
Not just them either. As someone pointed out earlier there was also Metodo, and Control Risks, and Halligen's jokers, and who knows who else.

(And Clarence, of course.)


Well here is one guy who certainly wasn't going to give anything out even if he knew the continuing leaks from Portugal were total rubbish ...

"Integrity" ... how very 'stiff upper lipped' and all that.


Leveson inquiry: ex-police chief defends not preventing false McCann DNA reports

Matthew Baggott says it was correct 'not to put the record straight' over false reports about Madeleine McCann case
Lisa O'Carroll
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Wednesday 28 March 2012 18.40 BST

The UK police were right not to "put the record straight" over false reports claiming Gerry and Kate McCann were implicated in their daughter's disappearance, the Leveson inquiry has heard.

Matthew Baggott, the former chief constable of Leicestershire police, told the inquiry on Wednesday he could not have released information about DNA tests conducted in the UK to counter leaks by the Portuguese police that falsely claimed they showed the McCanns had hidden Madeleine in the boot of a hire car in Portugal.

Baggott said there were both legal and professional reasons for this. Portuguese secrecy laws made it "utterly wrong to have somehow, in an off-the-record way, have breached what was a very clear legal requirement upon the Portuguese themselves", he told Lord Justice Leveson.

He also said the Leicestershire force's priority was to maintain a positive relationship with the Portuguese police, with a view to "eventually ... resolving what happened to that poor child".

Last November the Leveson inquiry heard how the Daily Express reported there was DNA evidence that could show the little girl's body had been stored in the spare tyre well of a hire car.

It turned out the analysis conducted in the UK was "inconclusive" and there was no foundation for making that allegation. Express Newspapers paid £550,000 damages to the McCann's in 2008 for inaccurate reporting by the Daily Express and the publisher's three other titles.

Leveson asked Baggot about evidence submitted by a Daily Star crime reporter two weeks ago that the Leicestershire police "knew perfectly well that the results didn't demonstrate that", and could have given off-the-record briefings to British journalists not to report a DNA link.

"Even with the benefit of hindsight, sir, I'm still convinced we did the right thing and I think integrity and confidence, particularly with the Portuguese, featured very highly in our decision-making at that time," said Baggott.

He added: "So the relationship of trust and confidence would have been undermined if we had gone off the record in some way or tried to put the record straight, contrary to the way in which the Portuguese law was configured and their own leadership of that."

When they appeared before Leveson late last year, Gerry and Kate McCann told how they were left distraught by false claims in the UK press that they were responsible for their daughter's disappearance or her death.

Leveson later accused the Daily Express of writing "complete piffle" and "tittle tattle" about Madeleine McCann.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/mar/28/leveson-madeleine-mccann-dna-police
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Lyall

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2015, 02:34:56 AM »

Well here is one guy who certainly wasn't going to give anything out even if he knew the continuing leaks from Portugal were total rubbish ...

"Integrity" ... how very 'stiff upper lipped' and all that.


Leveson inquiry: ex-police chief defends not preventing false McCann DNA reports

Matthew Baggott says it was correct 'not to put the record straight' over false reports about Madeleine McCann case
Lisa O'Carroll
 @lisaocarroll
Wednesday 28 March 2012 18.40 BST

The UK police were right not to "put the record straight" over false reports claiming Gerry and Kate McCann were implicated in their daughter's disappearance, the Leveson inquiry has heard.

Matthew Baggott, the former chief constable of Leicestershire police, told the inquiry on Wednesday he could not have released information about DNA tests conducted in the UK to counter leaks by the Portuguese police that falsely claimed they showed the McCanns had hidden Madeleine in the boot of a hire car in Portugal.

Baggott said there were both legal and professional reasons for this. Portuguese secrecy laws made it "utterly wrong to have somehow, in an off-the-record way, have breached what was a very clear legal requirement upon the Portuguese themselves", he told Lord Justice Leveson.

He also said the Leicestershire force's priority was to maintain a positive relationship with the Portuguese police, with a view to "eventually ... resolving what happened to that poor child".

Last November the Leveson inquiry heard how the Daily Express reported there was DNA evidence that could show the little girl's body had been stored in the spare tyre well of a hire car.

It turned out the analysis conducted in the UK was "inconclusive" and there was no foundation for making that allegation. Express Newspapers paid £550,000 damages to the McCann's in 2008 for inaccurate reporting by the Daily Express and the publisher's three other titles.

Leveson asked Baggot about evidence submitted by a Daily Star crime reporter two weeks ago that the Leicestershire police "knew perfectly well that the results didn't demonstrate that", and could have given off-the-record briefings to British journalists not to report a DNA link.

"Even with the benefit of hindsight, sir, I'm still convinced we did the right thing and I think integrity and confidence, particularly with the Portuguese, featured very highly in our decision-making at that time," said Baggott.

He added: "So the relationship of trust and confidence would have been undermined if we had gone off the record in some way or tried to put the record straight, contrary to the way in which the Portuguese law was configured and their own leadership of that."

When they appeared before Leveson late last year, Gerry and Kate McCann told how they were left distraught by false claims in the UK press that they were responsible for their daughter's disappearance or her death.

Leveson later accused the Daily Express of writing "complete piffle" and "tittle tattle" about Madeleine McCann.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/mar/28/leveson-madeleine-mccann-dna-police

Fair enough. But just as it would be foolish for someone to claim no leaks were made by any Portuguese police, it's just as foolish for someone to deny some could have come from any of the other sources.

A great many newspaper article clearly did originate from Metodo's work. They were disregarding judicial secrecy, as were the articles by other witnesses (and articles about JT and the sighting). Everyone was doing it.

Mitchell's 'Creepyman' press briefing also did. There were many other examples.

It's clearly absurd to just say only sources in Portugal were.
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Lyall

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2015, 02:42:53 AM »
You know where some of the many inaccuracies in articles came from. Not from Portuguese police. They took rumours and gossip and online speculation and a bit of imagination and made them up. When there was such a demand for 'news' it was easy work.

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Re: Were there too many leaks in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2015, 08:33:48 AM »
Does it say statements or simply declarations ?
Transcripts of police statements. Now are you going to explain why you think it unlikely the leaks originated from the PJ or are you going to keep side-stepping the question?