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Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #360 on: February 20, 2019, 08:36:54 AM »
Chud

When I enlarge the above to max it shows broken and blocked lines along tracks/footpaths do you know what these denote?  Eg at the bottom of Workhouse Lane, near to where the Range Rover was found, it shows a broken horizontal line (2 x little pieces) and then if you go over the broken line and turn left it shows a blocked line (1 x piece)?
Holly,

I think they denote pathways (the broken lines) and gates as Myster has pointed out.. Not sure whether the tracks / pathways are public right of way / official in some way

https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/docs/legends/50k-raster-legend.pdf
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #361 on: February 20, 2019, 09:18:07 AM »
Solid lines = Gates or former gates.  8((()*/

Broken lines = footpaths.   8((()*/

That's what I thought but I'm not really sure I follow the section at the end of Workhouse Lane (Range Rover end) where the tracks form a crossroads.  Two sections are left open, one has two broken lines across and the other a solid line across.  What do the two sections that are left open represent? 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #362 on: February 20, 2019, 09:23:34 AM »
Holly,

I think they denote pathways (the broken lines) and gates as Myster has pointed out.. Not sure whether the tracks / pathways are public right of way / official in some way


There appear to be 3 gates or former gates in the area we are looking at.  Was the Range Rover def found in the location you have highlighted with the red marker ie just in front of the gate furthest from the road?   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #363 on: February 20, 2019, 09:35:01 AM »
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That's what I thought but I'm not really sure I follow the section at the end of Workhouse Lane (Range Rover end) where the tracks form a crossroads.  Two sections are left open, one has two broken lines across and the other a solid line across.  What do the two sections that are left open represent? 

Probably just a double gate which used to be there and has since been removed.  All former gates in that area are absent in this overhead view...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Workhouse+Ln,+Chelmsford/@51.6418596,0.5578504,167m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d8dd156990c79b:0x43901a764acde8af!8m2!3d51.6591199!4d0.5945979

... apart from these two gates (black lines) where that YouTuber started his walk...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Workhouse+Ln,+Chelmsford/@51.6408606,0.5568064,168m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d8dd156990c79b:0x43901a764acde8af!8m2!3d51.6591199!4d0.5945979
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Chud

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #364 on: February 20, 2019, 10:06:46 AM »


There appear to be 3 gates or former gates in the area we are looking at.  Was the Range Rover def found in the location you have highlighted with the red marker ie just in front of the gate furthest from the road?

The location is 100% where the Range Rover was found (the red marker give or take a few feet)..

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #365 on: February 20, 2019, 11:28:46 AM »
Ok thanks. 

And where exactly is the skeet?

http://highhouseskeet.com/


Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Chud

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #366 on: February 20, 2019, 11:48:13 AM »
Ok thanks. 

And where exactly is the skeet?

http://highhouseskeet.com/

If you go on their website, scroll down to the map and change map from terrain to satellite, then zoom in and you'll see the shooting area which is directly behind the Whitehouse Farm building sandwiched between the small lake.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #367 on: February 20, 2019, 11:58:40 AM »
And we can see Le Benaix Bar and Brasserie, formerly the Wheatsheaf pub, is very close to the soc.  The Wheatsheaf pub being the site Wholmes claims he was at to take away a broken down vehicle for Nicholls.  This imo does not sound plausible and is too much of a coincidence to ring true.  More likely a drug deal (cannabis) had taken place at soc, Wheatsheaf pub or somewhere close by and trio were waiting to complete a further drug deal with a.n.others. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6470632,0.5460384,15z
« Last Edit: February 20, 2019, 12:05:35 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #368 on: February 20, 2019, 12:03:21 PM »
If you go on their website, scroll down to the map and change map from terrain to satellite, then zoom in and you'll see the shooting area which is directly behind the Whitehouse Farm building sandwiched between the small lake.

I would like to view it on the ordnance survey map.  Did the shoot def exist at time of murders and in the exact same location?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #369 on: February 20, 2019, 12:17:54 PM »
If you go on their website, scroll down to the map and change map from terrain to satellite, then zoom in and you'll see the shooting area which is directly behind the Whitehouse Farm building sandwiched between the small lake.
You can actually see Ginny Greenteeth living in the pond!   The satellite version in 3d is better than Google maps and gives an excellent view of the actual murder location too, especially when zooming in, full screen... even the steel gate at the start of the walk is visible... https://youtu.be/v29hJuuj0xY?t=34

« Last Edit: February 20, 2019, 12:25:55 PM by Myster »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #370 on: February 21, 2019, 12:30:21 PM »
You can actually see Ginny Greenteeth living in the pond!   The satellite version in 3d is better than Google maps and gives an excellent view of the actual murder location too, especially when zooming in, full screen... even the steel gate at the start of the walk is visible... https://youtu.be/v29hJuuj0xY?t=34



Anyway the soc is clearly not back of beyond and the whole notion of the trio lured there ostensibly to recce a potential landing strip for a light aircraft to offload cocaine is imo a theory EP wanted to advance.  It might be the correct theory but the location of the soc could have many other explanations too.

As I've said previously used car salesman, John Marshall, who was apparently an associate/friend of Tate's was found murdered only hours after Nicholls' revelations about corrupt police officers.  Marshall also sold Kenneth Noye a used car with false papers.  Marshall disappeared 15th May along with a sports holdall containing all his business papers.  It is thought he was murdered 15th/16th May.   A few days later Noye lost the plot and innocent car passenger murdered Stephen Cameron in an incident deemed by the authorities to be 'road rage'.  Was it road rage or did he feel under threat of his life and/or the net was closing in based on Nicholls' revelations?   Marshall's body was found in the back of his Range Rover covered in hay at 3.30 in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Y5T2UI4gA

Owner of White House Farm, Mrs Theobald, said the farm shop sold hay and straw @ 6.45 in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lwxl30vfKM

She also talks about a bailiff sub-letting an out building and it is known Tucker run a debt collection business. 

Could there by any connection here or am I grasping at straw!? 

Tucker also had horses/stables (hay/straw) and there are a number of equestrian centers and liveries in the Rettendon area.  In fact one currently exists next to what was the Wheatsheaf pub.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #371 on: February 21, 2019, 01:53:15 PM »
What connections/similarities exist between the murders at Rettendon and that of John Marshall:

- Marshall and Tate were friends/business associates
- All from same area of SE Essex
- Marshall was a used car dealer as was Tate
- It is said Marshall was a drug dealer but the evidence here seems lacking
- It is said Marshall looked after Tate's drug money but the evidence here again seems lacking
- There appears to be more evidence that Marshall sold Noye a car with false papers. 
- There appears to be some evidence of a relationship between Tate and Noye in that they met in Swaleside prison with the pair apparently keeping in touch post prison with Noye putting up some money for Tate to finance a drug deal.
- Marshall disappeared/was murdered only hours after Nicholls revelations about corrupt police officers. 
- Marshall sustained 2 gsw's as did the murdered trio (will have to try and find out what type of firearm was used).
- Marshall was found dead in his Range Rover as were the murdered trio
- Marshall was expected elsewhere and just didn't show with his mobile going into voice mail as was the case with the murdered trio 
- Marshall had 5k cash on his person and was wearing an expensive watch both of which were found within the Range Rover/on his person but a sports holdall containing all his business docs which he took with him was taken.  - The murdered trio had some 1.1k cash between them.  This to my mind suggests the perps were not bothered about cash but were under instructions to kill to silence
- The police believe 2 people were involved in Marshalls murder - same for murdered trio.
- Marshall was found in the back of his Range Rover covered in straw.  The farm shop very close to where the murdered trio were murdered sold straw.  Marshall was murdered mid-May so not the time of year to identify a remote location and nick some hay/straw from a field.  If you wanted hay/straw you would need to have a ready supply probably from keeping animals or know someone who had a ready supply or purchase some from a farm shop or such like. 
- Based on the reconstruction of Marshall's murder it appears from his size he was a body builder as were the murdered trio.
- Marshall was last seen alive at Pitsea in Essex.  He was then due in Kent before heading back to the Pitsea area.  The Range Rover with his body was found in Kent.  Was the Range Rover/body moved to Kent in attempt to remove any connection from the Rettendon murders along with the case being dealt with by Kent police as opposed to Essex? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Chud

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #372 on: February 21, 2019, 03:46:02 PM »
What connections/similarities exist between the murders at Rettendon and that of John Marshall:


- Marshall was last seen alive at Pitsea in Essex.  He was then due in Kent before heading back to the Pitsea area.  The Range Rover with his body was found in Kent.  Was the Range Rover/body moved to Kent in attempt to remove any connection from the Rettendon murders along with the case being dealt with by Kent police as opposed to Essex?

Wasn't the Investigating officer Michael Gamble of the Essex Police which was a bit unusual..

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #373 on: February 21, 2019, 04:04:23 PM »
Mobile phone expert David Bristowe told the court the following:

- The calls Steele made at just gone 6pm were consistent with him being in the area of Bulphan as per his alibi but it is unlikely he was at the Halfway house as the police contended.

- The calls Whomes made at 18.59 were consistent with him being at the Wheatsheaf pub as per his alibi but it is unlikely he was in Workhouse Lane as the police contended.

The calls Nicholls received at 18.59 were inconsistent with him being in Meadow Road.  Apparently these calls came through the Basildon mast so I assume he was over in that area. 

None of the above work or live anywhere near any of the areas above.  Imo the most likely reason for their whereabouts at these times was to carry out some drug related activity but I'm less sure about their involvement in the murders.

David Bristowe's report does not contain any info about any of the other calls made on day/eve of murders or mobile calls received/made by the murdered trio.  And importantly the call Tate received at 18.44 which according to the police placed him at or very close to the soc.  This strikes me as extremely odd. Was the expert aware of what the police were asserting about the 18.44 call to Tate which the police claim was overheard by Steele and factored into Nicholls' testimony? 

2 x posts here re the above experts phone evidence:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg512240#msg512240

However if we move on to the police interviewing Sarah Saunders they mislead her about the 18.44 call which they have no evidence for or if they do it appears to have been withheld:

DC NORTON
Then I would urge you that that this is the time and the place to speak your mind and tell us why. The other bit of particular interest from Darren NICHOLLS' evidence is that he will say when Michael STEELE returned to the car having shot Pat, he said to NICHOLLS words to the effect of you can't believe what that silly cow's Sarah's just done, she's phoned Pat on the mobile on the way here. You phoned Pat TATE at 6.44/45 pm on the 6th December, is that correct.

SAUNDERS
Yes.

DC NORTON
We believe at that time Michael STEELE was in company with Patrick TATE, and they were driving towards Rettendon and that at approximately 7 o'clock Craig, Pat and Tony were shot dead by Michael STEELE and Jack WHOMES (pause) you unfortunately Sarah, phoned Pat (pause) during the last moments of his life (pause). We will show that mobile phones, I don't know if you understand how they work, but they work on an antenna basis where they go to the nearest radio mast, and the signal goes up and then it goes up to the satellite, and we will show that the phones that evening of Michael STEELE and Jack WHOMES were firstly in the area of Brentwood, in the area of Childerditch where they met Pat, Tony and Darren, Pat, Tony and Craig at the Half Way House, they then drove to the Hungry Horse at Rayleigh where Mickey STEELE left his car and got in the back of the car with Pat and that when they left there on the way to Rettendon is when you phoned him (pause). Michael STEELE' s phone was showing as being in the area at the right time, Darren NICHOLLS says that Mickey STEELE was with Pat, Tony and Craig, the beacons show the phones being in the relevant area at the time (pause). Donna JAGGERS will give evidence that they were going to meet Mickey STEELE that night (pause) and I believe that in, if you're to believe, I think at the back of your mind there's a nagging doubt that Michael STEELE killed Pat, Tony and Craig, was there at the time when they were shot dead (pause). Are you alright.


Just before the above the police even suggest she may have been party to the murders.  In any event what's important is that as far as I can see there's no expert evidence about the 18.44 call and yet the police have been able to weave it into their theory. 

Here are Sarah Saunders police interviews:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg508994#msg508994

Imo its all really poor quality policing and investigative work.  The police imo are playing off lay witnesses who either have some reason to want to ingratiate themselves with the police eg Nicholls or they are somewhat vulnerable eg Donna Jaggers and Sarah Saunders who have lost the father of their  very young children and may have received thinly veiled threats from the police.  Eg with SS above about being a party to the murders and in the case of Donna Jaggers may have been threatened with having all or some of her assets confiscated under proceeds of crime act ie Rolfe gained financially from selling drugs and she accompanied him on some deals.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #374 on: February 21, 2019, 04:06:05 PM »
Wasn't the Investigating officer Michael Gamble of the Essex Police which was a bit unusual..

Oh yes its coming back to me now.  I think I do recall hearing/reading something about this now.  I guess there's some overlap in that he lived in Essex and was last seen alive in Essex but his body was found in Kent.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?