Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?

[Brietta]

Even if the ocean club called police sooner it wouldnt have made much difference, would it? As the missing child was  last seen at 9.15pm and noticed gone at 10 pm? The " golden hour" was gone more or less by then
Something the portuguese police are blamed by some for losing but which in fact had nothing to do with them

its a similar issue to kate mccan saying if portugal had an amber alert system it could have helped but it couldnt as the amber system needs a witness and a car number plate

By the time the police were alerted civilian searchers had looked for Madeleine in the apartment and in the immediate area and were in the the process of fanning out further afield.
If the child had been in the vicinity, she would have been found.

Don't you think that rather than waiting till the morning, it might have been appropriate to alert border checkpoints to the disappearance immediately? If Madeleine had been found in the interim the alert could easily have been cancelled.

[mercury]

By the time the police were alerted civilian searchers had looked for Madeleine in the apartment and in the immediate area and were in the the process of fanning out further afield.
If the child had been in the vicinity, she would have been found.

Don't you think that rather than waiting till the morning, it might have been appropriate to alert border checkpoints to the disappearance immediately? If Madeleine had been found in the interim the alert could easily have been cancelled.

Your post Britta doesnt answer mine, in fact, its confusing various issues so Im not sure how to answer it

[jassi]

By the time the police were alerted civilian searchers had looked for Madeleine in the apartment and in the immediate area and were in the the process of fanning out further afield.
If the child had been in the vicinity, she would have been found.

Don't you think that rather than waiting till the morning, it might have been appropriate to alert border checkpoints to the disappearance immediately? If Madeleine had been found in the interim the alert could easily have been cancelled.

Which checkpoints did you have in mind? I believe there are none between Portugal and Spain.

[Montclair]

By the time the police were alerted civilian searchers had looked for Madeleine in the apartment and in the immediate area and were in the the process of fanning out further afield.
If the child had been in the vicinity, she would have been found.

Don't you think that rather than waiting till the morning, it might have been appropriate to alert border checkpoints to the disappearance immediately? If Madeleine had been found in the interim the alert could easily have been cancelled.

Is it common practice in the UK to alert airports and border controls when a child goes missing?

[jassi]

Certainly not on the authority of some relatively low ranking police officers who had just recently arrived at the scene.

[Eleanor]

Somedebody doesn't know what an alert is.  No proof is needed.  Only the possibility.

[jassi]

Somedebody doesn't know what an alert is.  No proof is needed.  Only the possibility.

In the UK, 4 specific criteria need to be met and the decision is made by a Superintendent or higher rank police officer.

[Brietta]

Is it common practice in the UK to alert airports and border controls when a child goes missing?

Yes it is ... advice for possible family abduction can be found here ...
http://www.pact-online.org/child-abduction-prevention/

 ... and advice on all abduction including stranger here ...
http://blog.jonesmyers.co.uk/people-power-the-ultimate-weapon-against-child-abduction/

If you are really interested and not just attempting to point score do what I did and use a search engine, probably typing 'amber alert' will do it.

[Eleanor]

In the UK, 4 specific criteria need to be met and the decision is made by a Superintendent or higher rank police officer.

Oh really.  So UK never alerts to abduction unless someone actually sees it happen.  Personally I don't think so.  But do prove me wrong, if you can.

[jassi]

Oh really.  So UK never alerts to abduction unless someone actually sees it happen.  Personally I don't think so.  But do prove me wrong, if you can.

Not sure I even want to , but here is a link to Leicestershire Police child alert. https://www.leics.police.uk/advice-and-information/information-zone/child-rescue-alert
I imagine its much the same for other UK forces.

By the way, I've never mentioned anything about 'seeing it happen'. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

[Eleanor]

Not sure I even want to , but here is a link to Leicestershire Police child alert. https://www.leics.police.uk/advice-and-information/information-zone/child-rescue-alert
I imagine its much the same for other UK forces.

By the way, I've never mentioned anything about 'seeing it happen'. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

An Alert to a possible abduction does not require positive proof.  Only a possibility.  And also here in France.

[G-Unit]

Yes it is ... advice for possible family abduction can be found here ...
http://www.pact-online.org/child-abduction-prevention/

 ... and advice on all abduction including stranger here ...
http://blog.jonesmyers.co.uk/people-power-the-ultimate-weapon-against-child-abduction/

If you are really interested and not just attempting to point score do what I did and use a search engine, probably typing 'amber alert' will do it.

Both these links suggest that airports and ports will only usually be notified in cases of international parental child abduction, not in cases of stranger abduction.

[Brietta]

Both these links suggest that airports and ports will only usually be notified in cases of international parental child abduction, not in cases of stranger abduction.

According to the Office for National Statistics, more than 500 children are abducted within the UK each year, either by a stranger, by someone the child knows or even by their own parent – which as a specialist in family law and international child abduction, we are sadly all too familiar with.
http://blog.jonesmyers.co.uk/people-power-the-ultimate-weapon-against-child-abduction/

[Eleanor]

Both these links suggest that airports and ports will only usually be notified in cases of international parental child abduction, not in cases of stranger abduction.

That comment doesn't make sense.  Stranger Abduction is far more serious.

I don't actually want to castigate The PJ.  But I know enough about Portuguese Borders to know that it would not have been difficult to put out an Alert.  I drove through enough of them to know that it would have been easy.

[mercury]

Yes it is ... advice for possible family abduction can be found here ...
http://www.pact-online.org/child-abduction-prevention/

 ... and advice on all abduction including stranger here ...
http://blog.jonesmyers.co.uk/people-power-the-ultimate-weapon-against-child-abduction/

If you are really interested and not just attempting to point score do what I did and use a search engine, probably typing 'amber alert' will do it.

Amber Alert did not exist at the time in Portugal and even if it did, there was no description of the abductor or any car which are two prerequisites FOR the Amber alert. You can criticise Portugal as nuch as you like for whatever reason but you dont criticise parents for leaving three toddlers on their own in an open apartment off the main road and out of sight and hearing, for at least half hour stretches, if they are to be believed of course.