Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?

[OxfordBloo]

Then you can't blame police if the opportunity wasn't there for them inititally.

in the first few days/weeks

[mercury]

in the first few days/weeks

I don't understand your reply.

[OxfordBloo]

I don't understand your reply.

The PJ's "golden hour" was the first few days and weeks.

[mercury]

The PJ's "golden hour" was the first few days and weeks.

Interesting rendition of "hour", thanks anyway.

[ShiningInLuz]

These comms are between RO near apartment and MO near main reception, see RO rog, the subject, at least of the first 6 comms, is: when will police get to apartment. The GNR arrival at apartment is IMO after the 2nd voice call. So the GNR arrive at apartment shortly after 2306 IMO.

A later possibility is that GNR arrive at apartment at about 2325, if so then the 2324 txt in this list, and the brief voice calls at 2314 and 2317 between two other mobiles, would also need to be taken into account.

Based on this, I would place the GNR at OC reception no later than 22.58.

I R old, but I can still walk from Vale Verde restaurant (22.52 second call) and make it to OC reception before 22.58.  It is simply not that far.

Let's see.  Phone call around the 'hurry up' second message to GNR around 22.52.  Presumably something short to Rachael, like 'we're calling again'.

Then a flurry of text messages around 22.58.  Like 'there here'.  Like Sylvia B is talking to them.  Like Gerry is talking to them.  Like we're coming to 5A now.

Definitely not the later time unless after the hurry up message the GNR stopped for a meal at Vale Verde restaurant.

[Eleanor]

so you have a cite i can read that the golden hour doesnt mean that literally?

No.  No one does.  It was never meant to be literal.

[mercury]

No.  No one does.  It was never meant to be literal.

But you see Eleanor Im asking for proof it was "never meant to be literal"

No one seems to be providing it so I take it I should just take two posters on a forums words for it, is that what youre asking me to do? Answer is no for now

[Eleanor]

Someone must know, the person/people/police force who coined the term....all I asked was what exactly it means!

It doesn't mean anything in the literal sense.  Only that certain things should be done as soon as possible.

And I don't want to go into it in your sort of way.  Some one failed, but I don't want to apportion blame.  Too bloody late for that.

[OxfordBloo]

Someone must know, the person/people/police force who coined the term....all I asked was what exactly it means!

for the PEDANT you know you are:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JGbABgAAQBAJ&pg=PT478&lpg=PT478&dq=metaphorical+%22golden+hour%22&source=bl&ots=1MH88EldQE&sig=wxF5iXDG8u6E0hm4J1Pko1fsWN0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ypxKVfrWA8Tl7gbb9YFw&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=metaphorical%20%22golden%20hour%22&f=false

"Crisis communicators speak of the "Golden Hour" of crisis response: the early phases when the opportunity to influence the outcome is the greatest.

"The Golden Hour refers not to a precise duration but rather to the observation that incremental delays have greater than incremental impact  the likelihood of success."

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[Eleanor]

But you see Eleanor Im asking for proof it was "never meant to be literal"

No one seems to be providing it so I take it I should just take two posters on a forums words for it, is that what youre asking me to do? Answer is no for now

Arrette.  It cannot be defined.  A child could be missing for more time than you could know.

And just in case you want to give anyone a hard time, Madeleine could always have been stolen in the middle of the night.

[OxfordBloo]

Arrette.  It cannot be defined.  A child could be missing for more time than you could know.

And just in case you want to give anyone a hard time, Madeleine could always have been stolen in the middle of the night.

Note that I have provided a solid cite for its metaphorical use above.

Golden Hour does not necessarily mean 60 minutes.

Mercury has admitted his/her error.

[mercury]

Note that I have provided a solid cite for its metaphorical use above.

Golden Hour does not necessarily mean 60 minutes.

Mercury has admitted his/her error.

You provided another cite? Pls post want to read

[OxfordBloo]

You provided another cite? Pls post want to read

No just the single cite that shows that the Golden Hour is not limited in time but is a metaphor.

[mercury]

No just the single cite that shows that the Golden Hour is not limited in time but is a metaphor.

Ok going to leave this now, i thought it referred to time, Ive seen it referenced to time but Im still bot convinced it means days and weeks.....perhaps someone might c
come up with a link to its origins....fact still remains you accused Portuguese police of not doing their duty for fays and weeks

[pegasus]

Based on this, I would place the GNR at OC reception no later than 22.58.

I R old, but I can still walk from Vale Verde restaurant (22.52 second call) and make it to OC reception before 22.58.  It is simply not that far.

Let's see.  Phone call around the 'hurry up' second message to GNR around 22.52.  Presumably something short to Rachael, like 'we're calling again'.

Then a flurry of text messages around 22.58.  Like 'there here'.  Like Sylvia B is talking to them.  Like Gerry is talking to them.  Like we're coming to 5A now.

Definitely not the later time unless after the hurry up message the GNR stopped for a meal at Vale Verde restaurant.

So GNR arrive at main reception at about 2258 or a little earlier.
They spend some time at reception speaking with the father, with SB translating.
After that, they drive to the apartment.
See attached phone records, do the GNR arrive at the apartment before, or after, these two phonecalls?