The ambient lighting and its effect on the children's bedroom window.

[Brietta]

You can see the light on the shutters.

Not through the foliage on the trees which were there in 2007.  Also you insist on posting misleading photographs to support your argument ... the bright lighting in your photograph is the upgraded lighting which replaced the street lighting of 2007 which casts a yellowish-orange.

See Heri's work on this at
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

[pathfinder73]

Not through the foliage on the trees which were there in 2007.  Also you insist on posting misleading photographs to support your argument ... the bright lighting in your photograph is the upgraded lighting which replaced the street lighting of 2007 which casts a yellowish-orange.

See Heri's work on this at
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

Light can pass through trees. No draught or moving never mind whooshing curtains when Matt was there. You think an abductor/burglar was shining a torch outside the window now *&*%£ This had to the worst abductor/burglar in the world but he left no trace. For everything a reason!

[sadie]

You can see the light on the shutters.

DISGRACEFUL ! 
Putting out such dishonest disinformation


Is your name Pat Brown by any chance?

The heads of the trees fully blocked that light in 2007.  No light fell on the doorway nor the window from that street lamp/ any street lamp.   You KNOW full well that the trees were felled a few years after the event and YOUR photo is recent.   

Why do you find it necessary to put out such disinformation, Pfinder?  Are you unable to win any arguments without it?

[pathfinder73]

DISGRACEFUL ! 
Putting out such dishonest disinformation


Is your name Pat Brown by any chance?

The heads of the trees fully blocked that light in 2007.  No light fell on the doorway nor the window from that street lamp/ any street lamp.   You KNOW full well that the trees were felled a few years after the event and YOUR photo is recent. 


Why do you find it necessary to put out such disinformation, Pfinder?  Are you unable to win any arguments without it?

Light can pass through trees. Nobody saw anything. No window open or shutters raised. Dianne couldn't lift them from the outside. This was the crime scene. Look at the shutters. It's time for you to see the light  %£&)**#



Can you see the light  yet

[Anna]

Light can pass through trees. Nobody saw anything. No window open or shutters raised. Dianne couldn't lift them from the outside. This was the crime scene. Look at the shutters. It's time for you to see the light  %£&)**#

This is what was being discussed, Pat. Not light outside, but from within.
Excerpt:-
States that she looked at the exit of the apartment and that from the flat above the McCanns, she saw light, and also in from of the apartment, but she could not define, concretely, where she saw the light when she passed the McCann apartment;
. Next to the tree, she did not detect any movement of people or vehicles, and nothing struck her as abnormal in that zone that would have raised her suspicions;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm
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So this was before the alert, as it was quiet and no movement around 5A. She detected a light  above and in of from 5A??….(Open shutter with light from lounge lamp, or a torch?) Surely there would be no light if the shutters were closed?
Alert must have been after 10pm as in statements as there was no movement around.



Anyway we are way off topic here, so I would appreciate the discussion returning too The heading of the topic. thanks.
 Maybe we could have another topic on this subject.

[sadie]

Light can pass through trees. Nobody saw anything. No window open or shutters raised. Dianne couldn't lift them from the outside. This was the crime scene. Look at the shutters. It's time for you to see the light  %£&)**#



This image is illuminated by the police lamp set at a lkow level NOT by the street light opposite which would have cast a shadow of the exterior wall.

GET IT RIGHT , pathfinder ... or just dont say it.

Can you see the light  yet

The image in the previous photos was of the FRONT of 5A./  The image you have just posted is of the REAR of 5A.  NOT THE SAME PLACE.

FGS GET IT RIGHT Pfinder or just DO NOT POST IT.

Totally unfair  to put out such DISinformation

The first photo you posted was a PAT BROWN photo ... such disinformation !

This a view from the other side of the outer wall.  Do you see the dense trees next to the RH end of the building.  That is the view from the opposite direction to PAT BROWNS original photo that YOU posted.   No light or next to no light  came thru those trees
http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/30OCT9/sun_7_10_9_a_small.JPG

[pathfinder73]

The image in the previous photos was of the FRONT of 5A./  The image you have just posted is of the REAR of 5A.  NOT THE SAME PLACE.

FGS GET IT RIGHT Pfinder or just DO NOT POST IT.

Totally unfair  to put out such DISinformation

The first photo you posted was a PAT BROWN photo ... such disinformation !

This a view from the other side of the outer wall.  Do you see the dense trees next to the RH end of the building.  That is the view from the opposite direction to PAT BROWNS original photo that YOU posted.   No light or next to no light  came thru those trees
http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/30OCT9/sun_7_10_9_a_small.JPG

Look at the crime scene photo and stop being a naive brainwashed clown. That is evidence not wild theories like yours that you can never back up. Matt thought a light was coming into the room. That light shining on the shutters explains it not an abductor outside shining a torch. No evidence leads to an abductor. Anybody can say a window was open and the shutters were raised but the crime scene doesn't back that up.

"4078 'You weren't conscious of light coming through that window but the room was light enough for you to see into it''
 
Reply 'Yeah. I mean, the difficult thing about that is, when we talked about it afterwards, I agonised for whether it seemed as though there was light coming through the room. And I have to say my answer then was probably more accurate, in that, the room was lighter than I expected but I definitely didn't see the shutters up, the curtains were definitely not disturbed and the shutters would have had to have been completely up, I presume, not to get that sort of, because they were shutters that went solid but when you lifted them they had gaps of light, and I wasn't aware of that and it may well be that the light was just the source from behind'." (MO)

[Carana]

This is what was being discussed, Pat. Not light outside, but from within.
Excerpt:-
States that she looked at the exit of the apartment and that from the flat above the McCanns, she saw light, and also in from of the apartment, but she could not define, concretely, where she saw the light when she passed the McCann apartment;
. Next to the tree, she did not detect any movement of people or vehicles, and nothing struck her as abnormal in that zone that would have raised her suspicions;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
So this was before the alert, as it was quiet and no movement around 5A. She detected a light  above and in of from 5A??….(Open shutter with light from lounge lamp, or a torch?) Surely there would be no light if the shutters were closed?
Alert must have been after 10pm as in statements as there was no movement around.



Anyway we are way off topic here, so I would appreciate the discussion returning too The heading of the topic. thanks.
 Maybe we could have another topic on this subject.

I tried to point out earlier somewhere here that the translation isn't clear, but also that the original isn't very clear, either).

The original doesn't say in front of the McCann's apartment, but building (prédio).

[misty]

I always thought that the light source was the table lamp in the children's bedroom.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/18-Aug8/Sky-06-08-08-PICTURE-18.jpg

[Eleanor]

She can't back anything up. Her wild theories and brainwashed opinions are wasting everybody's time. Light can't pass through a tree according to her

You might try looking at people who present photos that don't mirror the circumstances at the time.

[carlymichelle]

You might try looking at people who present photos that don't mirror the circumstances at the time.

a bit like the mcanns who showed older photos of maddie  so  no one knew   how  maddie looked exactly?

[Lace]

a bit like the mcanns who showed older rphotos of maddie  so  no one knew   how  maddie looked exactly?

Older photo's?

[Lace]

I read a lot of interesting posts by Sadie her knowledge of Portugal is extensive the photo's she presented were very helpful.

SY found a lot that Heri said interesting too.

[Eleanor]

a bit like the mcanns who showed older photos of maddie  so  no one knew   how  maddie looked exactly?

What are you talking about?.  Some of the photos were of Madeleine on that holiday, and certainly that year.  Did you miss those?

[pathfinder73]

You might try looking at people who present photos that don't mirror the circumstances at the time.

I've shown two photos.

The crime scene


And another showing the light source