Was Kate McCanns "f.....g tosser" comment directed at Ricardo Paiva offensive?

[Mr Gray]

To Fornicate Under the Command of the King.. You all know the abbreviated version. I never swore in my childrens presence, but sometimes in adult company to repeat a joke or someones conversations I do swear. But not directed at anyone. which is gross bad manners.

I admire G for her stance with regards to her beliefs. I am perpelxed at the usual crew baying at her for doing so.

Kate made a point in her book, like she was giving them the 'bird' as it were... IMO She was going tpo have the last laugh...ppft

You admire g for her stance re her beliefs but admonish those who take a different stance...that's hypocrisy for you...

[G-Unit]

I stand up for my opinions as should everyone. I expect to be attacked whatever I say so no surprises there. I find it quite amusing when some people can't sustain their opinions without some quite convoluted mental gymnastics. Fair play to davel, he seems to be saying there's nothing offensive about that comment at all, no matter who uses it or where or why. In my opinion that's the only answer that counts. Once you allow context into the debate it's down to personal opinion, and we will all disagree. There may be no 'right' answer, but I have one that I am happy with and I can give my reasons for it.

[Mr Gray]

I stand up for my opinions as should everyone. I expect to be attacked whatever I say so no surprises there. I find it quite amusing when some people can't sustain their opinions without some quite convoluted mental gymnastics. Fair play to davel, he seems to be saying there's nothing offensive about that comment at all, no matter who uses it or where or why. In my opinion that's the only answer that counts. Once you allow context into the debate it's down to personal opinion, and we will all disagree. There may be no 'right' answer, but I have one that I am happy with and I can give my reasons for it.

That isn't what I have said...in fact I have said the opposite...from one of my posts today..

The words were used in court this week by a bereaved father...no one has criticised him.

If Kate had used them loudly directed at a supermarket cashier who got her change wrong that would be totally different to her mumbling them under her breath in the situation she was in....that's called context.

If you cannot see that you are just showing how severely biased your opinions are.

Context is important.......it isn't just personal opinion we have laws....using those words in some situations could result in a criminal charge...in others not

[G-Unit]

That isn't what I have said...in fact I have said the opposite...from one of my posts today..

The words were used in court this week by a bereaved father...no one has criticised him.

If Kate had used them loudly directed at a supermarket cashier who got her change wrong that would be totally different to her mumbling them under her breath in the situation she was in....that's called context.

If you cannot see that you are just showing how severely biased your opinions are.

Context is important.......it isn't just personal opinion we have laws....using those words in some situations could result in a criminal charge...in others not

So the comment is only offensive if;

The law says so.

The comment is not offensive;

So long as it's not illegal and you say it isn't because in your opinion it was justified?

Right, got it. 

PS read the comments about the man in court - loss of dignity is mentioned by someone who seems to think shouting abuse in court might not be such a great idea.

[Mr Gray]

So the comment is only offensive if;

The law says so.

The comment is not offensive;

So long as it's not illegal and you say it isn't because in your opinion it was justified?

Right, got it. 

PS read the comments about the man in court - loss of dignity is mentioned by someone who seems to think shouting abuse in court might not be such a great idea.

It's a matter of opinion...simple as that. I think the vast majority of people would understand that the father in court is understandable...I'm sure most of the comments were supportive and very, very few critical.

Although it is a matter of opinion but there would come time when it would be seen as against the law. The man was not arrested in this case. What you should understand is that people have different opinions and their opinions are just as valid as yours. 

If you go to the beach you ill see lots of women with no tops on...it is considered acceptable...can you imagine them walking around the supermarket with no top...it's a matter of context

[faithlilly]

LOL.  but you struggle to understand how anyone could mutter a swear word under their breath at a man who they felt was falsely accusing them of hiding the body of their little daughter and trying to pressure a confession out of them?  That's totally reasonable of you.  Not.

So you wouldn't have minded if Amaral had said 'f**k the McCanns ?

[Mr Gray]

I don't think Kates language was offensive ...I think paiva was disgusting..thats it ..end of converastion

[Brietta]

I think the words going through Dr Kate McCann's mind as a defence mechanism ... pale into insignificance when the abusive onslaught she was being subjected to is taken into consideration.

There are very few posters posting here who would have been able to withstand that level of mental torture.

It is revealing that words ... which were not uttered ... can cause you such offence ~ but the aggressive and false allegations she was subject to does not.

[Mr Gray]

I think the words going through Dr Kate McCann's mind as a defence mechanism ... pale into insignificance when the abusive onslaught she was being subjected to is taken into consideration.

There are very few posters posting here who would have been able to withstand that level of mental torture.

It is revealing that words ... which were not uttered ... can cause you such offence ~ but the aggressive and false allegations she was subject to does not.

Yes it's very revealing that posters should find Kate's words...which were not even said out loud...offensive...but are willing to overlook her appalling treatment at the hands of the pj. We have seen from the cipriano pictures just how sadistic these men are.

[faithlilly]

I think the words going through Dr Kate McCann's mind as a defence mechanism ... pale into insignificance when the abusive onslaught she was being subjected to is taken into consideration.

There are very few posters posting here who would have been able to withstand that level of mental torture.

It is revealing that words ... which were not uttered ... can cause you such offence ~ but the aggressive and false allegations she was subject to does not.

She was suspected of having a role in her daughter's disappearance. How do you expect police officers to act ?

[Brietta]

She was suspected of having a role in her daughter's disappearance. How do you expect police officers to act ?

In full compliance with the law.

[faithlilly]

In full compliance with the law.

Have you ever been present at the questioning of a suspect in this country Brietta ? Paiva's actions were mild by comparison.

[G-Unit]

I think the words going through Dr Kate McCann's mind as a defence mechanism ... pale into insignificance when the abusive onslaught she was being subjected to is taken into consideration.

There are very few posters posting here who would have been able to withstand that level of mental torture.

It is revealing that words ... which were not uttered ... can cause you such offence ~ but the aggressive and false allegations she was subject to does not.

Not uttered and wouldn't have been known about had they not been written in a book for all to see. The words don't offend me, they would only offend me if they were said to me. They are, however, intrinsically offensive.

There is a record of this interview in the PJ files. Three police officers and Kate McCann's lawyer were present, as was an interpreter chosen by  Kate from a list 'provided by the consulate' (British?). It lasted 3.5 hours. She was shown the video of the dog alerts as was Gerald McCann in his interview. she was asked other questions which she refused to answer. As a human rights lawyer her lawyer should have spoken up if anything resembling torture took place.

[faithlilly]

**snip

The transcripts of interviews with Kate and Gerry McCann came from notes made by a police officer because the sessions were not recorded.
According to the files, Mr McCann was told on September 7 that Madeleine's DNA was discovered in the boot of the rented Renault Scenic, and behind a sofa in the family's holiday apartment.
"Confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was gathered from behind the sofa and from the boot of the vehicle, and analysed by a British laboratory, he said he could not explain why this would be," the officer wrote.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2501055/Madeleine-McCann-Portuguese-detectives-lied-to-Gerry-McCann-about-DNA-evidence.html


    MADELEINE
    paragraph 2
    page 312
    Kate McCann

When Gerry asked to see the DNA report, Ricardo became quite flustered, waving PC Grime's document in the air and saying, 'It is the dogs that are important!'

Ah it comes from Madeleine so not a reliable source then.

[G-Unit]

**snip

The transcripts of interviews with Kate and Gerry McCann came from notes made by a police officer because the sessions were not recorded.
According to the files, Mr McCann was told on September 7 that Madeleine's DNA was discovered in the boot of the rented Renault Scenic, and behind a sofa in the family's holiday apartment.
"Confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was gathered from behind the sofa and from the boot of the vehicle, and analysed by a British laboratory, he said he could not explain why this would be," the officer wrote.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2501055/Madeleine-McCann-Portuguese-detectives-lied-to-Gerry-McCann-about-DNA-evidence.html


    MADELEINE
    paragraph 2
    page 312
    Kate McCann

When Gerry asked to see the DNA report, Ricardo became quite flustered, waving PC Grime's document in the air and saying, 'It is the dogs that are important!'

Hearsay.