Was Kate McCanns "f.....g tosser" comment directed at Ricardo Paiva offensive?

[DCI]

That article is a masterpiece of spin, DCI.

What on earth could Portuguese police do about sightings in "UK, Spain, France and Italy"?

Ask Police Forces who sent them, to Paiva.

Looks like you pounced before reading.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

[Lyall]

Ask Police Forces who sent them, to Paiva.

Looks like you pounced before reading.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

I read every word. I didn't see Mitchell or Duarte asking for the Portuguese to reopen their investigation.

[carlymichelle]

I don't suppose either of the McCanns would be impressed if one of their patients told them what was wrong with them and what the treatment should be. I doubt if  the Portuguese police were greatly impressed to be told how to do their job either.

Not only did the parents inform the police what crime had been committed, they told them how to investigate it too. 'Bring sniffer dogs!' 'Close the roads!'. I doubt if even our wonderful police would have managed that within a couple of hours. The criticism began immediately. 'No-ones looking for her!' when the town was full of people and police officers looking till 4.30am.

The comment by Kate McCann was just a continuation of the contempt and lack of respect the parents had towards the Portuguese police from the very beginning. Those joining in should perhaps remember that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Our own police force has been shown to be less than perfect itself recently, and is having to be investigated for a variety of failings.
Hopefully the McCann case won't end up on the list too.

exactly   why should the  PJ     etc have been nice to the mcanns when the mcanns showed them no respect and continue not too?

[DCI]

BUMPED

You still haven't said where John said this, Carly??

john is  right  the mcann supporters need someone to blame and since they  dont see the mcanns at fault they have to blame someone so they blame the police sad i  think

[faithlilly]

Ask Police Forces who sent them, to Paiva.

Looks like you pounced before reading.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

So you have asked police forces have you DCI and received confirmation ? Or perhaps you know a journalist who has ?

[DCI]

So you have asked police forces have you DCI and received confirmation ? Or perhaps you know a journalist who has ?

Have I? No! I'm surprised you haven't either.

[faithlilly]

Have I? No! I'm surprised you haven't either.

So how do you know the leads haven't been followed up ?

[DCI]

So how do you know the leads haven't been followed up ?

Go play your games with some else, Faith, I ain't biting!

[faithlilly]

Go play your games with some else, Faith, I ain't biting!

I'm not playing games, I'm simply asking a straightforward question. Do you have any evidence that Paiva didn't follow up the leads passed to him before marking them 'not relevant' ?

[Brietta]

I don't suppose either of the McCanns would be impressed if one of their patients told them what was wrong with them and what the treatment should be. I doubt if  the Portuguese police were greatly impressed to be told how to do their job either.

Not only did the parents inform the police what crime had been committed, they told them how to investigate it too. 'Bring sniffer dogs!' 'Close the roads!'. I doubt if even our wonderful police would have managed that within a couple of hours. The criticism began immediately. 'No-ones looking for her!' when the town was full of people and police officers looking till 4.30am.

The comment by Kate McCann was just a continuation of the contempt and lack of respect the parents had towards the Portuguese police from the very beginning. Those joining in should perhaps remember that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Our own police force has been shown to be less than perfect itself recently, and is having to be investigated for a variety of failings.
Hopefully the McCann case won't end up on the list too.

I'm not sure I equate the disrespect shown to a missing child by not looking for her outweighs the words "f****** tosser" silently said to oneself when under great stress.
Funny that one offends and the other is fine ... but it takes all sorts.

[Alice Purjorick]

BUMPED

You still haven't said where John said this, Carly??

People in glass houses and all that nonsense 

[faithlilly]

I'm not sure I equate the disrespect shown to a missing child by not looking for her outweighs the words "f****** tosser" silently said to oneself when under great stress.
Funny that one offends and the other is fine ... but it takes all sorts.

You can't evidence your claim so instead go for the emotional jugular. Nice touch Brietta.

[faithlilly]

So can I conclude by the silence of both DCI and Brietta that there is no evidence that the PJ, including Paiva, didn't follow leads before marking them ' not relevant'.

Glad we've cleared that one up 

[Alice Purjorick]

So can I conclude by the silence of both DCI and Brietta that there is no evidence that the PJ, including Paiva, didn't follow leads before marking them ' not relevant'.

Glad we've cleared that one up 

It rather puts me in mind of a Robert Mitchum quote about his press reports (paraphrased of course )
"The brawls the broads the booze all true. Make up some more if you want to".

[stephen25000]

I read every word. I didn't see Mitchell or Duarte asking for the Portuguese to reopen their investigation.

Indeed both the mccanns and their supporters are invariably blinded by the facts.

Another poster elsewhere has put this into perspective on Amazon.

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'I see a fresh row has broken out on the JF over the supposed file of sightings as mentioned in this newspaper report

"Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up," said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.

"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all."

There was only one problem with this claim. It was a big lie.

Duarte made this claim outside of the courtroom where of course she could not be challenged on it. It was part of the attempt to make it appear that Amaral's book ''harmed the search'' for Madeleine, a claim the judge in the ongoing case has since found ''not proven''

However, the McCanns and their chief dementors had not taken into account an unexpected fly in the ointment. A rather large fly in the shape of four UK newspapers, who jointly petitioned the Portuguese court for access to said file, which was duly granted.

Hence they discovered that far from being red-hot credible leads they were mostly the rambling insane jottings of people who had refused to take their medication and were insisting that they had seen Maddie on the telly in a choir, or that she had popped into their shop. In New Zealand.

They had also been followed up locally, found to be worthless, and forwarded to the PJ for their information.

The McCanns were very cross when this got out. In fact they called a press conference, claimed the papers were ''harming the search'' (again) and Kate, in as blinding a piece of bare-faced cheek as I have ever witnessed, called upon people to ''take personal responsibility'', which is pretty rich coming from a woman who at the time her 3 year old child supposedly went missing wasn't there as she was wrapped around a ......................'